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From: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>
To: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, selinux@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-audit@redhat.com, io-uring@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit,io_uring,io-wq: add some basic audit support to io_uring
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 09:26:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <94e50554-f71a-50ab-c468-418863d2b46f@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHC9VhSK9PQdxvXuCA2NMC3UUEU=imCz_n7TbWgKj2xB2T=fOQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/28/21 5:02 PM, Paul Moore wrote:
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 4:19 PM Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com> wrote:
>> ... If we moved the _entry
>> and _exit calls into the individual operation case blocks (quick
>> openat example below) so that only certain operations were able to be
>> audited would that be acceptable assuming the high frequency ops were
>> untouched?  My initial gut feeling was that this would involve >50% of
>> the ops, but Steve Grubb seems to think it would be less; it may be
>> time to look at that a bit more seriously, but if it gets a NACK
>> regardless it isn't worth the time - thoughts?
>>
>>   case IORING_OP_OPENAT:
>>     audit_uring_entry(req->opcode);
>>     ret = io_openat(req, issue_flags);
>>     audit_uring_exit(!ret, ret);
>>     break;
> 
> I wanted to pose this question again in case it was lost in the
> thread, I suspect this may be the last option before we have to "fix"
> things at the Kconfig level.  I definitely don't want to have to go
> that route, and I suspect most everyone on this thread feels the same,
> so I'm hopeful we can find a solution that is begrudgingly acceptable
> to both groups.

May work for me, but have to ask how many, and what is the
criteria? I'd think anything opening a file or manipulating fs:

IORING_OP_ACCEPT, IORING_OP_CONNECT, IORING_OP_OPENAT[2],
IORING_OP_RENAMEAT, IORING_OP_UNLINKAT, IORING_OP_SHUTDOWN,
IORING_OP_FILES_UPDATE
+ coming mkdirat and others.

IORING_OP_CLOSE? IORING_OP_SEND IORING_OP_RECV?

What about?
IORING_OP_FSYNC, IORING_OP_SYNC_FILE_RANGE,
IORING_OP_FALLOCATE, IORING_OP_STATX,
IORING_OP_FADVISE, IORING_OP_MADVISE,
IORING_OP_EPOLL_CTL


Another question, io_uring may exercise asynchronous paths,
i.e. io_issue_sqe() returns before requests completes.
Shouldn't be the case for open/etc at the moment, but was that
considered?

I don't see it happening, but would prefer to keep it open
async reimplementation in a distant future. Does audit sleep?

-- 
Pavel Begunkov

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From: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>
To: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
Cc: selinux@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-audit@redhat.com,
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, io-uring@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit,io_uring,io-wq: add some basic audit support to io_uring
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 09:26:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <94e50554-f71a-50ab-c468-418863d2b46f@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHC9VhSK9PQdxvXuCA2NMC3UUEU=imCz_n7TbWgKj2xB2T=fOQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/28/21 5:02 PM, Paul Moore wrote:
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 4:19 PM Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com> wrote:
>> ... If we moved the _entry
>> and _exit calls into the individual operation case blocks (quick
>> openat example below) so that only certain operations were able to be
>> audited would that be acceptable assuming the high frequency ops were
>> untouched?  My initial gut feeling was that this would involve >50% of
>> the ops, but Steve Grubb seems to think it would be less; it may be
>> time to look at that a bit more seriously, but if it gets a NACK
>> regardless it isn't worth the time - thoughts?
>>
>>   case IORING_OP_OPENAT:
>>     audit_uring_entry(req->opcode);
>>     ret = io_openat(req, issue_flags);
>>     audit_uring_exit(!ret, ret);
>>     break;
> 
> I wanted to pose this question again in case it was lost in the
> thread, I suspect this may be the last option before we have to "fix"
> things at the Kconfig level.  I definitely don't want to have to go
> that route, and I suspect most everyone on this thread feels the same,
> so I'm hopeful we can find a solution that is begrudgingly acceptable
> to both groups.

May work for me, but have to ask how many, and what is the
criteria? I'd think anything opening a file or manipulating fs:

IORING_OP_ACCEPT, IORING_OP_CONNECT, IORING_OP_OPENAT[2],
IORING_OP_RENAMEAT, IORING_OP_UNLINKAT, IORING_OP_SHUTDOWN,
IORING_OP_FILES_UPDATE
+ coming mkdirat and others.

IORING_OP_CLOSE? IORING_OP_SEND IORING_OP_RECV?

What about?
IORING_OP_FSYNC, IORING_OP_SYNC_FILE_RANGE,
IORING_OP_FALLOCATE, IORING_OP_STATX,
IORING_OP_FADVISE, IORING_OP_MADVISE,
IORING_OP_EPOLL_CTL


Another question, io_uring may exercise asynchronous paths,
i.e. io_issue_sqe() returns before requests completes.
Shouldn't be the case for open/etc at the moment, but was that
considered?

I don't see it happening, but would prefer to keep it open
async reimplementation in a distant future. Does audit sleep?

-- 
Pavel Begunkov

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-02  8:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-21 21:49 [RFC PATCH 0/9] Add LSM access controls and auditing to io_uring Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:49 ` Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:49 ` [RFC PATCH 1/9] audit: prepare audit_context for use in calling contexts beyond syscalls Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:49   ` Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:49 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit,io_uring,io-wq: add some basic audit support to io_uring Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:49   ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit, io_uring, io-wq: " Paul Moore
2021-05-22  0:22   ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit,io_uring,io-wq: " Pavel Begunkov
2021-05-22  0:22     ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-05-22  2:36     ` Paul Moore
2021-05-22  2:36       ` Paul Moore
2021-05-23 20:26       ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-05-23 20:26         ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-05-24 19:59         ` Paul Moore
2021-05-24 19:59           ` Paul Moore
2021-05-25  8:27           ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-05-25  8:27             ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-05-25 14:53             ` Paul Moore
2021-05-25 14:53               ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26  1:11           ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26  1:11             ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26  2:04             ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26  2:04               ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 10:19               ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-05-26 10:19                 ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-05-26 14:38                 ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 14:38                   ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 15:11                   ` Steve Grubb
2021-05-26 15:11                     ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit, io_uring, io-wq: " Steve Grubb
2021-05-26 15:17                   ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit,io_uring,io-wq: " Stefan Metzmacher
2021-05-26 15:17                     ` Stefan Metzmacher
2021-05-26 15:49                     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-26 15:49                       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-26 17:22                       ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 17:22                         ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-27 17:27                         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-27 17:27                           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-26 15:49                     ` Victor Stewart
2021-05-26 15:49                       ` Victor Stewart
2021-05-26 16:38                       ` Casey Schaufler
2021-05-26 16:38                         ` Casey Schaufler
2021-05-26 17:15               ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 17:15                 ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 17:31                 ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 17:31                   ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 17:54                   ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 17:54                     ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 18:01                     ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 18:01                       ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 18:44                       ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 18:44                         ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 18:57                         ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-05-26 18:57                           ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-05-26 19:10                           ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 19:10                             ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 19:44                         ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 19:44                           ` Jens Axboe
2021-05-26 20:19                           ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 20:19                             ` Paul Moore
2021-05-28 16:02                             ` Paul Moore
2021-05-28 16:02                               ` Paul Moore
2021-06-02  8:26                               ` Pavel Begunkov [this message]
2021-06-02  8:26                                 ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-06-02 15:46                                 ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-06-02 15:46                                   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-06-03 10:39                                   ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-06-03 10:39                                     ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-06-02 19:46                                 ` Paul Moore
2021-06-02 19:46                                   ` Paul Moore
2021-06-03 10:51                                   ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-06-03 10:51                                     ` Pavel Begunkov
2021-06-03 15:54                                     ` Casey Schaufler
2021-06-03 15:54                                       ` Casey Schaufler
2021-06-03 15:54                               ` Jens Axboe
2021-06-03 15:54                                 ` Jens Axboe
2021-06-04  5:04                                 ` Paul Moore
2021-06-04  5:04                                   ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 18:38                     ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 18:38                       ` Paul Moore
2021-06-02 17:29   ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] audit, io_uring, io-wq: " Richard Guy Briggs
2021-06-02 17:29     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-06-02 20:46     ` Paul Moore
2021-06-02 20:46       ` Paul Moore
2021-08-25  1:21       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-08-25  1:21         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-08-25 19:41         ` Paul Moore
2021-08-25 19:41           ` Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 3/9] audit: dev/test patch to force io_uring auditing Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50   ` Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 4/9] audit: add filtering for io_uring records Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50   ` Paul Moore
2021-05-28 22:35   ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-28 22:35     ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-30 15:26     ` Paul Moore
2021-05-30 15:26       ` Paul Moore
2021-05-31 13:44       ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-31 13:44         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-06-02  1:40         ` Paul Moore
2021-06-02  1:40           ` Paul Moore
2021-06-02 15:37           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-06-02 15:37             ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-06-02 17:20             ` Paul Moore
2021-06-02 17:20               ` Paul Moore
2021-05-31 13:44       ` [PATCH 1/2] audit: add filtering for io_uring records, addendum Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-31 13:44         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-31 16:08         ` kernel test robot
2021-05-31 16:08           ` kernel test robot
2021-05-31 16:08           ` kernel test robot
2021-05-31 17:38         ` kernel test robot
2021-05-31 17:38           ` kernel test robot
2021-05-31 17:38           ` kernel test robot
2021-06-07 23:15         ` Paul Moore
2021-06-07 23:15           ` Paul Moore
2021-06-08 12:55           ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-06-08 12:55             ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-06-09  2:45             ` Paul Moore
2021-06-09  2:45               ` Paul Moore
2021-05-31 13:44       ` [PATCH 2/2] audit: block PERM fields being used with io_uring filtering Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-31 13:44         ` Richard Guy Briggs
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 5/9] fs: add anon_inode_getfile_secure() similar to anon_inode_getfd_secure() Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50   ` Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 6/9] io_uring: convert io_uring to the secure anon inode interface Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50   ` Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 7/9] lsm,io_uring: add LSM hooks to io_uring Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50   ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 14:48   ` Stefan Metzmacher
2021-05-26 14:48     ` Stefan Metzmacher
2021-05-26 20:45     ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 20:45       ` Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 8/9] selinux: add support for the io_uring access controls Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50   ` Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50 ` [RFC PATCH 9/9] Smack: Brutalist io_uring support with debug Paul Moore
2021-05-21 21:50   ` Paul Moore
2021-05-22  0:53 ` [RFC PATCH 0/9] Add LSM access controls and auditing to io_uring Tetsuo Handa
2021-05-22  0:53   ` Tetsuo Handa
2021-05-22  2:06   ` Paul Moore
2021-05-22  2:06     ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 15:00 ` Jeff Moyer
2021-05-26 15:00   ` Jeff Moyer
2021-05-26 18:49   ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 18:49     ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 19:07     ` Jeff Moyer
2021-05-26 19:07       ` Jeff Moyer
2021-05-26 19:10       ` Paul Moore
2021-05-26 19:10         ` Paul Moore

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