LPC 2018

LPC 2018

[Chuck Lever]

I'm planning to attend LPC next month. I'm interested in discussing
IMA on distributed file systems in particular with anyone here who
might also attend. I expect it would be a narrow topic, so a birds
of a feather is probably appropriate, but hallway track could work
too.

I especially would like to discuss the on-disk format of IMA
metadata, and how the IMA module behaves when it encounters metadata
it does not recognize (or how you do on-disk format versioning).

I'm still working on an Internet Draft that specifies how to enable
IMA on NFS files. The biggest challenge has been the lack of IMA
spec. The current revision of the Draft describes the requirements
in generic terms, and cites the IMA wiki/white paper only as an
Informative reference. I believe this will be adequate.

I've also dropped EVM support for now. Two concerns:
- NFS does not expose some file attributes that EVM protects
- The format of some file attributes might not be the same on all
  client OSes.

More to talk about in person, I hope.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-nfsv4-integrity-measurement/


--
Chuck Lever

Re: LPC 2018

[Monty Wiseman]

I'll be there and am interested. I'm co-chair of the TCG Infrastructure 
working group which is defining
an Event log format for firmware and IMA.


On 10/09/2018 11:58 AM, Chuck Lever wrote:
> I'm planning to attend LPC next month. I'm interested in discussing
> IMA on distributed file systems in particular with anyone here who
> might also attend. I expect it would be a narrow topic, so a birds
> of a feather is probably appropriate, but hallway track could work
> too.
>
> I especially would like to discuss the on-disk format of IMA
> metadata, and how the IMA module behaves when it encounters metadata
> it does not recognize (or how you do on-disk format versioning).
>
> I'm still working on an Internet Draft that specifies how to enable
> IMA on NFS files. The biggest challenge has been the lack of IMA
> spec. The current revision of the Draft describes the requirements
> in generic terms, and cites the IMA wiki/white paper only as an
> Informative reference. I believe this will be adequate.
>
> I've also dropped EVM support for now. Two concerns:
> - NFS does not expose some file attributes that EVM protects
> - The format of some file attributes might not be the same on all
>    client OSes.
>
> More to talk about in person, I hope.
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-nfsv4-integrity-measurement/
>
>
> --
> Chuck Lever
>
>
>

Re: LPC 2018

[Serge E. Hallyn]

Would be awesome if some meeting notes could be sent to this list after
the fact :)

thanks,
-serge

Quoting Monty Wiseman (montywiseman32@gmail.com):
> I'll be there and am interested. I'm co-chair of the TCG Infrastructure
> working group which is defining
> an Event log format for firmware and IMA.
> 
> 
> On 10/09/2018 11:58 AM, Chuck Lever wrote:
> > I'm planning to attend LPC next month. I'm interested in discussing
> > IMA on distributed file systems in particular with anyone here who
> > might also attend. I expect it would be a narrow topic, so a birds
> > of a feather is probably appropriate, but hallway track could work
> > too.
> > 
> > I especially would like to discuss the on-disk format of IMA
> > metadata, and how the IMA module behaves when it encounters metadata
> > it does not recognize (or how you do on-disk format versioning).
> > 
> > I'm still working on an Internet Draft that specifies how to enable
> > IMA on NFS files. The biggest challenge has been the lack of IMA
> > spec. The current revision of the Draft describes the requirements
> > in generic terms, and cites the IMA wiki/white paper only as an
> > Informative reference. I believe this will be adequate.
> > 
> > I've also dropped EVM support for now. Two concerns:
> > - NFS does not expose some file attributes that EVM protects
> > - The format of some file attributes might not be the same on all
> >    client OSes.
> > 
> > More to talk about in person, I hope.
> > 
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-nfsv4-integrity-measurement/
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Chuck Lever
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 

Re: LPC 2018

[Monty Wiseman]

Sorry, I misread. I'll not be at LPC. I'll be at the Embedded Linux and 
LSS week of Oct 22

Monty


On 10/11/2018 11:48 AM, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> Would be awesome if some meeting notes could be sent to this list after
> the fact :)
>
> thanks,
> -serge
>
> Quoting Monty Wiseman (montywiseman32@gmail.com):
>> I'll be there and am interested. I'm co-chair of the TCG Infrastructure
>> working group which is defining
>> an Event log format for firmware and IMA.
>>
>>
>> On 10/09/2018 11:58 AM, Chuck Lever wrote:
>>> I'm planning to attend LPC next month. I'm interested in discussing
>>> IMA on distributed file systems in particular with anyone here who
>>> might also attend. I expect it would be a narrow topic, so a birds
>>> of a feather is probably appropriate, but hallway track could work
>>> too.
>>>
>>> I especially would like to discuss the on-disk format of IMA
>>> metadata, and how the IMA module behaves when it encounters metadata
>>> it does not recognize (or how you do on-disk format versioning).
>>>
>>> I'm still working on an Internet Draft that specifies how to enable
>>> IMA on NFS files. The biggest challenge has been the lack of IMA
>>> spec. The current revision of the Draft describes the requirements
>>> in generic terms, and cites the IMA wiki/white paper only as an
>>> Informative reference. I believe this will be adequate.
>>>
>>> I've also dropped EVM support for now. Two concerns:
>>> - NFS does not expose some file attributes that EVM protects
>>> - The format of some file attributes might not be the same on all
>>>     client OSes.
>>>
>>> More to talk about in person, I hope.
>>>
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-nfsv4-integrity-measurement/
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Chuck Lever
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: LPC 2018

[James Bottomley]

On Thu, 2018-10-11 at 15:49 -0400, Monty Wiseman wrote:
> Sorry, I misread. I'll not be at LPC. I'll be at the Embedded Linux
> and LSS week of Oct 22

Oh, that is different.  However, I'll be there as will Jarkko and
David, so I think we might be able to get some TPM related progress
even in Edinburgh.

James

Re: LPC 2018

[Jarkko Sakkinen]

On Thu, 11 Oct 2018, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Thu, 2018-10-11 at 15:49 -0400, Monty Wiseman wrote:
>> Sorry, I misread. I'll not be at LPC. I'll be at the Embedded Linux
>> and LSS week of Oct 22
>
> Oh, that is different.  However, I'll be there as will Jarkko and
> David, so I think we might be able to get some TPM related progress
> even in Edinburgh.
>
> James

This is great. I would focus on finding common ground in encryption
between TPM and OS. That is the reason I'll bring up "TPM Genie"
in some form in my talk.

/Jarkko

Re: LPC 2018

[Matthew Garrett]

I'll also be there all week, and I'll be talking about some of the
work we're doing with IMA and the approaches we're taking for network
filesystems - definitely happy to chat to people about that and some
of the TPM work we're doing.

Re: LPC 2018

[James Morris]

On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, Matthew Garrett wrote:

> I'll also be there all week

~rimshot~


> and I'll be talking about some of the work we're doing with IMA and the 
> approaches we're taking for network filesystems - definitely happy to 
> chat to people about that and some of the TPM work we're doing.

What about a TPM BoF at LSS?


-- 
James Morris
<jmorris@namei.org>

Re: LPC 2018

[James Bottomley]

On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 08:35 +1100, James Morris wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> 
> > I'll also be there all week
> 
> ~rimshot~
> 
> 
> > and I'll be talking about some of the work we're doing with IMA and
> > the approaches we're taking for network filesystems - definitely
> > happy to chat to people about that and some of the TPM work we're
> > doing.
> 
> What about a TPM BoF at LSS

I'm only at LinuxCon/KS, so I'm leaving on Thursday.  I think you have
a Wednesday overlap, though, so Wednesday would work.

James

Re: LPC 2018

[James Morris]

On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, James Bottomley wrote:

> > What about a TPM BoF at LSS
> 
> I'm only at LinuxCon/KS, so I'm leaving on Thursday.  I think you have
> a Wednesday overlap, though, so Wednesday would work.

LSS is Thurs+Fri, but we may have a quorum for Weds.


-- 
James Morris
<jmorris@namei.org>

Re: LPC 2018

[Mimi Zohar]

On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 09:46 +1100, James Morris wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, James Bottomley wrote:
> 
> > > What about a TPM BoF at LSS
> > 
> > I'm only at LinuxCon/KS, so I'm leaving on Thursday.  I think you have
> > a Wednesday overlap, though, so Wednesday would work.
> 
> LSS is Thurs+Fri, but we may have a quorum for Weds.

Some of us are arriving Wed.  Perhaps try scheduling it later in the
day Wed.

Mimi

Re: LPC 2018

[Mimi Zohar]

On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 09:46 +1100, James Morris wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, James Bottomley wrote:
> 
> > > What about a TPM BoF at LSS
> > 
> > I'm only at LinuxCon/KS, so I'm leaving on Thursday.  I think you have
> > a Wednesday overlap, though, so Wednesday would work.
> 
> LSS is Thurs+Fri, but we may have a quorum for Weds.

Some of us are arriving Wed.  Perhaps try scheduling it later in the
day Wed.

Mimi

Re: LPC 2018

[James Bottomley]

On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 07:56 -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 09:46 +1100, James Morris wrote:
> > On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, James Bottomley wrote:
> > 
> > > > What about a TPM BoF at LSS
> > > 
> > > I'm only at LinuxCon/KS, so I'm leaving on Thursday.  I think you
> > > have a Wednesday overlap, though, so Wednesday would work.
> > 
> > LSS is Thurs+Fri, but we may have a quorum for Weds.
> 
> Some of us are arriving Wed.  Perhaps try scheduling it later in the
> day Wed.

Oh, I thought LSS was three days: Wed-Fri with the Wed talks being open
to all LinuxCon attendees ... I even made a note to go to some of them.
 Did that get killed?

James

Re: LPC 2018

[Mimi Zohar]

On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 08:34 -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 07:56 -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> > On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 09:46 +1100, James Morris wrote:
> > > On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > What about a TPM BoF at LSS
> > > > 
> > > > I'm only at LinuxCon/KS, so I'm leaving on Thursday.  I think you
> > > > have a Wednesday overlap, though, so Wednesday would work.
> > > 
> > > LSS is Thurs+Fri, but we may have a quorum for Weds.
> > 
> > Some of us are arriving Wed.  Perhaps try scheduling it later in the
> > day Wed.
> 
> Oh, I thought LSS was three days: Wed-Fri with the Wed talks being open
> to all LinuxCon attendees ... I even made a note to go to some of them.
>  Did that get killed?

We've considered expanding LSS to three days, but for the time being
it is only two days.

Mimi

Re: LPC 2018

[James Bottomley]

On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 15:09 -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 08:34 -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> > On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 07:56 -0400, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 09:46 +1100, James Morris wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > > What about a TPM BoF at LSS
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm only at LinuxCon/KS, so I'm leaving on Thursday.  I think
> > > > > you have a Wednesday overlap, though, so Wednesday would
> > > > > work.
> > > > 
> > > > LSS is Thurs+Fri, but we may have a quorum for Weds.
> > > 
> > > Some of us are arriving Wed.  Perhaps try scheduling it later in
> > > the day Wed.
> > 
> > Oh, I thought LSS was three days: Wed-Fri with the Wed talks being
> > open to all LinuxCon attendees ... I even made a note to go to some
> > of them.  Did that get killed?
> 
> We've considered expanding LSS to three days, but for the time being
> it is only two days.

Actually, I looked at what I was planning to go to and it was KVM Forum
that was doing the Wednesday overlap, not LSS ... I just had a security
part of that noted down as interesting which is why I was confused.

jaems

Re: LPC 2018

[Jarkko Sakkinen]

On Tue, 16 Oct 2018, James Morris wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>
>> I'll also be there all week
>
> ~rimshot~
>
>
>> and I'll be talking about some of the work we're doing with IMA and the
>> approaches we're taking for network filesystems - definitely happy to
>> chat to people about that and some of the TPM work we're doing.
>
> What about a TPM BoF at LSS?

Would not be a bad idea at least for the topic that I interested to
resolve (TPM-kernel secure channel).

> -- 
> James Morris
> <jmorris@namei.org>

/Jarkko

Re: LPC 2018

[James Bottomley]

On Thu, 2018-10-18 at 02:47 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2018, James Morris wrote:
> > On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > 
> > > I'll also be there all week
> > 
> > ~rimshot~
> > 
> > 
> > > and I'll be talking about some of the work we're doing with IMA
> > > and the
> > > approaches we're taking for network filesystems - definitely
> > > happy to
> > > chat to people about that and some of the TPM work we're doing.
> > 
> > What about a TPM BoF at LSS?
> 
> Would not be a bad idea at least for the topic that I interested to
> resolve (TPM-kernel secure channel).

Re-rolling those patches is on my list.  Right at the moment I'm
working on coupling it to TPM attestation.

James

Re: LPC 2018

[Jarkko Sakkinen]

On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 08:35 +1100, James Morris wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>>
>>> I'll also be there all week
>>
>> ~rimshot~
>>
>>
>>> and I'll be talking about some of the work we're doing with IMA and
>>> the approaches we're taking for network filesystems - definitely
>>> happy to chat to people about that and some of the TPM work we're
>>> doing.
>>
>> What about a TPM BoF at LSS
>
> I'm only at LinuxCon/KS, so I'm leaving on Thursday.  I think you have
> a Wednesday overlap, though, so Wednesday would work.
>
> James

LSS starts on 25th.

/Jarkko

Re: LPC 2018

[Jarkko Sakkinen]

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On Tue, 16 Oct 2018, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 09:46 +1100, James Morris wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, James Bottomley wrote:
>>
>>>> What about a TPM BoF at LSS
>>>
>>> I'm only at LinuxCon/KS, so I'm leaving on Thursday.  I think you have
>>> a Wednesday overlap, though, so Wednesday would work.
>>
>> LSS is Thurs+Fri, but we may have a quorum for Weds.
>
> Some of us are arriving Wed.  Perhaps try scheduling it later in the
> day Wed.
>
> Mimi

Yeah, could be possible (also arriving that day). Do not really care if
we talk about the same stuff that I want to talk in my presentation
(namely channel encryption). I was thinking to talk about it as an 
introduction to the topic but this way around I could summarize the
BoF.

I hope the time is late as possible though on Wed.

/Jarkko

Re: LPC 2018

[Nayna Jain]

On 10/18/2018 05:35 AM, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Oct 2018, Mimi Zohar wrote:
>> On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 09:46 +1100, James Morris wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, James Bottomley wrote:
>>>
>>>>> What about a TPM BoF at LSS
>>>>
>>>> I'm only at LinuxCon/KS, so I'm leaving on Thursday.  I think you have
>>>> a Wednesday overlap, though, so Wednesday would work.
>>>
>>> LSS is Thurs+Fri, but we may have a quorum for Weds.
>>
>> Some of us are arriving Wed.  Perhaps try scheduling it later in the
>> day Wed.
>>
>> Mimi
>
> Yeah, could be possible (also arriving that day). Do not really care if
> we talk about the same stuff that I want to talk in my presentation
> (namely channel encryption). I was thinking to talk about it as an 
> introduction to the topic but this way around I could summarize the
> BoF.
>
> I hope the time is late as possible though on Wed.
>
> /Jarkko

Do we have a time finalized to meet on Wednesday ? I will also be joining.

Thanks & Regards,
     - Nayna

Re: LPC 2018

[Jarkko Sakkinen]

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On Sat, 20 Oct 2018, Nayna Jain wrote:

>
>
> On 10/18/2018 05:35 AM, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2018, Mimi Zohar wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 09:46 +1100, James Morris wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, James Bottomley wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> What about a TPM BoF at LSS
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm only at LinuxCon/KS, so I'm leaving on Thursday.  I think you have
>>>>> a Wednesday overlap, though, so Wednesday would work.
>>>> 
>>>> LSS is Thurs+Fri, but we may have a quorum for Weds.
>>> 
>>> Some of us are arriving Wed.  Perhaps try scheduling it later in the
>>> day Wed.
>>> 
>>> Mimi
>> 
>> Yeah, could be possible (also arriving that day). Do not really care if
>> we talk about the same stuff that I want to talk in my presentation
>> (namely channel encryption). I was thinking to talk about it as an 
>> introduction to the topic but this way around I could summarize the
>> BoF.
>> 
>> I hope the time is late as possible though on Wed.
>> 
>> /Jarkko
>
> Do we have a time finalized to meet on Wednesday ? I will also be joining.
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>     - Nayna
>
>

How can I join given that I have only ticket to LSS not to the summit?


/Jarkko

Re: LPC 2018

[James Bottomley]

On Tue, 2018-10-23 at 16:16 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 20 Oct 2018, Nayna Jain wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > On 10/18/2018 05:35 AM, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > > On Tue, 16 Oct 2018, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 2018-10-16 at 09:46 +1100, James Morris wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, 15 Oct 2018, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > What about a TPM BoF at LSS
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm only at LinuxCon/KS, so I'm leaving on Thursday.  I
> > > > > > think you have a Wednesday overlap, though, so Wednesday
> > > > > > would work.
> > > > > 
> > > > > LSS is Thurs+Fri, but we may have a quorum for Weds.
> > > > 
> > > > Some of us are arriving Wed.  Perhaps try scheduling it later
> > > > in the day Wed.
> > > > 
> > > > Mimi
> > > 
> > > Yeah, could be possible (also arriving that day). Do not really
> > > care if we talk about the same stuff that I want to talk in my
> > > presentation (namely channel encryption). I was thinking to talk
> > > about it as an introduction to the topic but this way around I
> > > could summarize the BoF.
> > > 
> > > I hope the time is late as possible though on Wed.
> > > 
> > > /Jarkko
> > 
> > Do we have a time finalized to meet on Wednesday ? I will also be
> > joining.
> > 
> > Thanks & Regards,
> >     - Nayna
> > 
> > 
> 
> How can I join given that I have only ticket to LSS not to the
> summit?

According to Angela, the badges aren't a problem (they'll let you in)
and I can have the the conference staff get us a room up to about 9pm
tomorrow (although we'll have to start after the regular sessions end
at 6pm).

However, we need to pick a time so they can allocate us the room.

James

Re: LSS-EU BoF(s) (renamed from LPC 2018)

[Mimi Zohar]

On Tue, 2018-10-23 at 14:31 +0100, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-10-23 at 16:16 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:

> > How can I join given that I have only ticket to LSS not to the
> > summit?
> 
> According to Angela, the badges aren't a problem (they'll let you in)
> and I can have the the conference staff get us a room up to about 9pm
> tomorrow (although we'll have to start after the regular sessions end
> at 6pm).
> 
> However, we need to pick a time so they can allocate us the room.

Ok, let's try and define an agenda of what needs to be discussed. The
original discussion started out by Chuck wanting to get together and
discuss IMA on distributed filesystems at LPC, and Monty chiming in
about IMA format.

It seems the discussion has diverged and is now about having a TPM BoF
the evening before LSS-EU, for those not staying for LSS. Let's try
and put together an agenda.  Do we need/want another BoF for IMA?
 Should that be Thurs evening?


Mimi

Re: LPC 2018

[David Howells]

James Morris <jmorris@namei.org> wrote:

> > I'm only at LinuxCon/KS, so I'm leaving on Thursday.  I think you have
> > a Wednesday overlap, though, so Wednesday would work.
> 
> LSS is Thurs+Fri, but we may have a quorum for Weds.

I'm getting to Edinburgh tomorrow, so I wouldn't be available before 3pm.

Btw, will there be networking available to be used during speaking?

David

Re: LPC 2018

[James Bottomley]

On Tue, 2018-10-23 at 14:39 +0100, David Howells wrote:
> James Morris <jmorris@namei.org> wrote:
> 
> > > I'm only at LinuxCon/KS, so I'm leaving on Thursday.  I think you
> > > have a Wednesday overlap, though, so Wednesday would work.
> > 
> > LSS is Thurs+Fri, but we may have a quorum for Weds.
> 
> I'm getting to Edinburgh tomorrow, so I wouldn't be available before
> 3pm.

I think to get a room it has to be after 6pm, so that's no problem.

> Btw, will there be networking available to be used during speaking?

You mean wired?  Not that I noticed but they might have if you ask
nicely.  The wifi seems to be functional.

James

Re: LPC 2018

[David Howells]

James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com> wrote:

> > Btw, will there be networking available to be used during speaking?
> 
> You mean wired?  Not that I noticed but they might have if you ask
> nicely.  The wifi seems to be functional.

Wifi *ought* to be fine.

David

Re: LPC 2018

[Jarkko Sakkinen]

On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, David Howells wrote:
> James Morris <jmorris@namei.org> wrote:
>
>>> I'm only at LinuxCon/KS, so I'm leaving on Thursday.  I think you have
>>> a Wednesday overlap, though, so Wednesday would work.
>>
>> LSS is Thurs+Fri, but we may have a quorum for Weds.
>
> I'm getting to Edinburgh tomorrow, so I wouldn't be available before 3pm.
>
> Btw, will there be networking available to be used during speaking?
>
> David
>
Just arrived to the airport. Pick a time. For me any time after 3PM
should work.

/Jarkko

Re: LPC 2018

[James Bottomley]

On Wed, 2018-10-24 at 11:45 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, David Howells wrote:
> > James Morris <jmorris@namei.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > > I'm only at LinuxCon/KS, so I'm leaving on Thursday.  I think
> > > > you have
> > > > a Wednesday overlap, though, so Wednesday would work.
> > > 
> > > LSS is Thurs+Fri, but we may have a quorum for Weds.
> > 
> > I'm getting to Edinburgh tomorrow, so I wouldn't be available
> > before 3pm.
> > 
> > Btw, will there be networking available to be used during speaking?
> > 
> > David
> > 
> 
> Just arrived to the airport. Pick a time. For me any time after 3PM
> should work.

OK, let's say 18:00 in the Moffat room level -2 of the convention
centre.

James

Re: LPC 2018

[Monty Wiseman]

David Safford doesn't arrive until tonight (Wednesday but I don't know
what time) so I think some of this will need to extend to Thursday.
I'll send him a private message just in case.
On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:59 AM James Bottomley
<James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2018-10-24 at 11:45 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, David Howells wrote:
> > > James Morris <jmorris@namei.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > I'm only at LinuxCon/KS, so I'm leaving on Thursday.  I think
> > > > > you have
> > > > > a Wednesday overlap, though, so Wednesday would work.
> > > >
> > > > LSS is Thurs+Fri, but we may have a quorum for Weds.
> > >
> > > I'm getting to Edinburgh tomorrow, so I wouldn't be available
> > > before 3pm.
> > >
> > > Btw, will there be networking available to be used during speaking?
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> >
> > Just arrived to the airport. Pick a time. For me any time after 3PM
> > should work.
>
> OK, let's say 18:00 in the Moffat room level -2 of the convention
> centre.
>
> James
>

Re: LSS-EU BoF(s) (renamed from LPC 2018)

[Monty Wiseman]

On 10/23/18 9:36 AM, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-10-23 at 14:31 +0100, James Bottomley wrote:
>> On Tue, 2018-10-23 at 16:16 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
>>> How can I join given that I have only ticket to LSS not to the
>>> summit?
>> According to Angela, the badges aren't a problem (they'll let you in)
>> and I can have the the conference staff get us a room up to about 9pm
>> tomorrow (although we'll have to start after the regular sessions end
>> at 6pm).
>>
>> However, we need to pick a time so they can allocate us the room.
> Ok, let's try and define an agenda of what needs to be discussed. The
> original discussion started out by Chuck wanting to get together and
> discuss IMA on distributed filesystems at LPC, and Monty chiming in
> about IMA format.
>
> It seems the discussion has diverged and is now about having a TPM BoF
> the evening before LSS-EU, for those not staying for LSS. Let's try
> and put together an agenda.  Do we need/want another BoF for IMA?
>   Should that be Thurs evening?

There are 2 high level topics. While they are related they can happen 
independently.

1> Changing the TPM driver's tpm_pcr_extend interface to support 
algorithm agility for IMA (and other kernel services)

2> Changes to IMA

I believe all the stakeholders for #1 will be here through Friday. If 
that's the case, let's move that topic to Thursday PM and focus tonight 
(Wednesday) on IMA. I'll let others break that topic down further if 
necessary.

Monty

>
> Mimi
>

Re: LPC 2018

[Jarkko Sakkinen]

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, James Bottomley wrote:

> On Wed, 2018-10-24 at 11:45 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, David Howells wrote:
>>> James Morris <jmorris@namei.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I'm only at LinuxCon/KS, so I'm leaving on Thursday.  I think
>>>>> you have
>>>>> a Wednesday overlap, though, so Wednesday would work.
>>>>
>>>> LSS is Thurs+Fri, but we may have a quorum for Weds.
>>>
>>> I'm getting to Edinburgh tomorrow, so I wouldn't be available
>>> before 3pm.
>>>
>>> Btw, will there be networking available to be used during speaking?
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>
>> Just arrived to the airport. Pick a time. For me any time after 3PM
>> should work.
>
> OK, let's say 18:00 in the Moffat room level -2 of the convention
> centre.
>
> James
>
>

Phew, I did not get to my room before 3PM so I was worried that you had
already started (only now got my shit unpacked etc.) :-)

BTW, I really like the solution for the HMAC channel. That's why I'm
shooting for the details. Yesterday I somehow managed to miss the patch
that exposes the name to the user space. That probably explains the odd
question I had when I was intervening your and Ken's discussion.

/Jarkko

Re: LPC 2018

[Roberto Sassu]

Hi everyone

is it possible to attend the session today? I can get a badge only
tomorrow.

Thanks

Roberto


On 10/24/2018 4:27 PM, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, James Bottomley wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 2018-10-24 at 11:45 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, David Howells wrote:
>>>> James Morris <jmorris@namei.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I'm only at LinuxCon/KS, so I'm leaving on Thursday.  I think
>>>>>> you have
>>>>>> a Wednesday overlap, though, so Wednesday would work.
>>>>>
>>>>> LSS is Thurs+Fri, but we may have a quorum for Weds.
>>>>
>>>> I'm getting to Edinburgh tomorrow, so I wouldn't be available
>>>> before 3pm.
>>>>
>>>> Btw, will there be networking available to be used during speaking?
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>
>>> Just arrived to the airport. Pick a time. For me any time after 3PM
>>> should work.
>>
>> OK, let's say 18:00 in the Moffat room level -2 of the convention
>> centre.
>>
>> James
>>
>>
> 
> Phew, I did not get to my room before 3PM so I was worried that you had
> already started (only now got my shit unpacked etc.) :-)
> 
> BTW, I really like the solution for the HMAC channel. That's why I'm
> shooting for the details. Yesterday I somehow managed to miss the patch
> that exposes the name to the user space. That probably explains the odd
> question I had when I was intervening your and Ken's discussion.
> 
> /Jarkko

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Aw: Re: LSS-EU BoF(s) (renamed from LPC 2018)

[Peter Huewe]

Hi,
what is now the concensus on the BOF(s) time and location?
 
Thanks,
Peter

Re: LPC 2018

[James Bottomley]

On October 24, 2018 4:54:14 PM GMT, Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@huawei.com> wrote:
>Hi everyone
>
>is it possible to attend the session today? I can get a badge only
>tomorrow.

Yes, you can turn up without a badge.  If the conference Minders won't let you in ask to talk to the lf staff and they'll let you in.

James

>Thanks
>
>Roberto
>
>
>On 10/24/2018 4:27 PM, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, James Bottomley wrote:
>> 
>>> On Wed, 2018-10-24 at 11:45 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2018, David Howells wrote:
>>>>> James Morris <jmorris@namei.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm only at LinuxCon/KS, so I'm leaving on Thursday.  I think
>>>>>>> you have
>>>>>>> a Wednesday overlap, though, so Wednesday would work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LSS is Thurs+Fri, but we may have a quorum for Weds.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm getting to Edinburgh tomorrow, so I wouldn't be available
>>>>> before 3pm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Btw, will there be networking available to be used during
>speaking?
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just arrived to the airport. Pick a time. For me any time after 3PM
>>>> should work.
>>>
>>> OK, let's say 18:00 in the Moffat room level -2 of the convention
>>> centre.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>> 
>> Phew, I did not get to my room before 3PM so I was worried that you
>had
>> already started (only now got my shit unpacked etc.) :-)
>> 
>> BTW, I really like the solution for the HMAC channel. That's why I'm
>> shooting for the details. Yesterday I somehow managed to miss the
>patch
>> that exposes the name to the user space. That probably explains the
>odd
>> question I had when I was intervening your and Ken's discussion.
>> 
>> /Jarkko


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Re: Aw: Re: LSS-EU BoF(s) (renamed from LPC 2018)

[Mimi Zohar]

On Wed, 2018-10-24 at 17:55 +0200, Peter Huewe wrote:
> Hi,
> what is now the concensus on the BOF(s) time and location?

Supposedly we're meeting in the Moorfoot room at 6Pm.  We're sitting
outside the room now.  (It's past the registration desk.)

Mimi

Re: Aw: Re: LSS-EU BoF(s) (renamed from LPC 2018)

[James Bottomley]

On Wed, 2018-10-24 at 17:55 +0200, Peter Huewe wrote:
> Hi,
> what is now the concensus on the BOF(s) time and location

Moffat room, Level -2 in the Convention Centre at 18:00 today
(Wednesday).

James

Re: LSS-EU BoF(s) (renamed from LPC 2018)

[Jarkko Sakkinen]

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On Wed, 24 Oct 2018, Monty Wiseman wrote:
> On 10/23/18 9:36 AM, Mimi Zohar wrote:
>> On Tue, 2018-10-23 at 14:31 +0100, James Bottomley wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2018-10-23 at 16:16 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
>>>> How can I join given that I have only ticket to LSS not to the
>>>> summit?
>>> According to Angela, the badges aren't a problem (they'll let you in)
>>> and I can have the the conference staff get us a room up to about 9pm
>>> tomorrow (although we'll have to start after the regular sessions end
>>> at 6pm).
>>> 
>>> However, we need to pick a time so they can allocate us the room.
>> Ok, let's try and define an agenda of what needs to be discussed. The
>> original discussion started out by Chuck wanting to get together and
>> discuss IMA on distributed filesystems at LPC, and Monty chiming in
>> about IMA format.
>> 
>> It seems the discussion has diverged and is now about having a TPM BoF
>> the evening before LSS-EU, for those not staying for LSS. Let's try
>> and put together an agenda.  Do we need/want another BoF for IMA?
>>   Should that be Thurs evening?
>
> There are 2 high level topics. While they are related they can happen 
> independently.
>
> 1> Changing the TPM driver's tpm_pcr_extend interface to support algorithm 
> agility for IMA (and other kernel services)
>
> 2> Changes to IMA
>
> I believe all the stakeholders for #1 will be here through Friday. If that's 
> the case, let's move that topic to Thursday PM and focus tonight (Wednesday) 
> on IMA. I'll let others break that topic down further if necessary.
>
> Monty
>
>> 
>> Mimi
>> 
>

I might come today little late to get my slides done (at the time of
the first coffee break). Does anyone happpen to have USB-C display
adapter? I forgot take my own with.

/Jarkko