From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302D2C43217 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 11:34:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S239134AbiAQLeo (ORCPT ); Mon, 17 Jan 2022 06:34:44 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:34889 "EHLO mout.gmx.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S239124AbiAQLen (ORCPT ); Mon, 17 Jan 2022 06:34:43 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1642419279; bh=ixYk5MD8R5rNfTjSru7HMfOf9ODsYIJqWhVfbGz0ugE=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=ggDZBvzrdOsJm5kYnP0EB9aiEGGjVtL63MqyEw9eFprRI5FIfCEAIVEtcLTzd+6QH LA2StO1NVyt25vQndr0Xbka7BG2kEjPM0gPu4DxwGTHtBen7tSoKHtfiIQp0jk4gJy mLzsyzBtpcZR0sj/wdcWi6Ka8Dl4CUqaXOWIgF5o= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.20.60] ([92.116.167.237]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M26vB-1nBMDm2N7B-002bDo; Mon, 17 Jan 2022 12:34:39 +0100 Message-ID: <9814d071-2a01-f452-8bf9-4d216a11186d@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 12:33:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.3.0 Subject: Re: [PATCH] MAINTAINERS: Add Helge as fbdev maintainer Content-Language: en-US To: Thomas Zimmermann , linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: From: Helge Deller In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:II3Xzz0r0WZUTIWd7usXxmmg5CbCeZdmAmFEb0usWE1FFQrDFCi 8cniIJJPypYyHz4L0tyMRAAUbdiNQzbQFnQVH5FumOvO4pu9Y8Fg/0IT+tEJqHqSYSJP5Ht bU1Y3/MvbxfI/pFHZhS2TmlqOtKtw+1GyK5Pib4ZQU4y/sBwOLJKsuhrgL/CJEMycpfoH6Y Qfgoy5K8KMsoBvWq0KM0w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:vzZXgwMU3l0=:mWqwBzWJBBo/WO6qFlZLXM SzWTxmBmRJUZ+a4o4fQ/qaIlTKFg0Ut7RA7umThm1Ac+IF42yRn1TyktCIMRjx4eGA2grT/EA vw/oHzIFCy7R3EJJiE5TGWbqQU+lJAuGBsYGzhSOy0rgFvBUVAD7FkqFQ5gdulKME10o6ucE+ I/j3U4IjK1NGuaZs5RJY57aO6U5YNnJgqgUqP0QyMUiy+GiHF/w7uW3Mp/yHz7sDcXG8bFwCV jdsJL7nB0HxqNtDCi4y11ftbQMLEFYqzd8yPb/YWTzYPtuD+54aS2SLYjyGORzTEisajemSlV qWx4e4trGLTACup6r2OMAhSxNXDVSG9XZbedppQxuikF8SHxBfWH/CSDp/i8AfH6iIf4fvSGE y+6lPeTvOwPlh5v0BVWlYYJ0FEIRtiJ9WEgXUKj/BNFUHIQUeyxu0XfgS/GO8QFgK3Hrx2JPa H3QjWMNl/BZoiyV6pPl2Xguva6BilOSrTds66DnfWW57zOxvbsJsNu0lckbM/WiJ5SeS8SJE/ xK+Dd3wqcIkuPoZYUlvbrUTxCmMLN9yPv+X0uZhrXmTO+ydTTtPx/3blKR64o6vJYZlZUE4i8 kRNUkDf9v7cjzRsJe663KJ1onvblWoEo+DaF5eleBJzVD+G2GZU4HJbGVTSEA9VPeymSUSi1Y /Z+YEWRueHeBPP3LO++03627RkyMc/Sy8IZbrPK7R+ia1Tl8hBcEWx6iXvWomstPBffwNCf/1 Wlfz6DTbXqqop329G08flltuPOWpKYtBIRGwOMMSbjDcGaaN9Od+czzHZ4RhWZmf4hIzf059L NGFRv+3X+nRgTQEzppYv6T7wmTXX1RAdwqCiwlnFt1V+7AUgquwlFo8nHAS7BS/+DPaxhLqUb TaiC/0HKVjf6bUlvqCiO6W4Q4X8RXgbdCtBxX+kWvk3Eydd/qXGuGQMpHmbHI4g9CA48MivhY P4srW2NhSCPYoBavDeQ+wIeXnRBlv6kL0GKE4Dy8dVL3z4FHhBI7yWsh+2JWreqG07k3oirJK ERcDtNy0XCT2ZutQ/v3UiVDN2ikDGi5hsSloR/eBA82oxdmoK+/dPLhcgeDXZKR6yT1NzvPQI xxj3cUhtazrwzc= Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi Thomas, On 1/17/22 12:16, Thomas Zimmermann wrote: > Hi > > Am 14.01.22 um 19:11 schrieb Helge Deller: >> The fbdev layer is orphaned, but seems to need some care. >> So I'd like to step up as new maintainer. >> >> Signed-off-by: Helge Deller > > First of all, thank you for stepping up to maintain the fbdev > codebase. It really needs someone actively looking after it. Thanks. > And now comes the BUT. > > I want to second everything said by Danial and Javier. In addition to > purely organizational topics (trees, PRs, etc), there are a number of > inherit problems with fbdev. I will answer that in the other mail to Daniel shortly... > * It's 90s technology. Neither does it fit today's userspace, not > hardware. If you have more than just the most trivial of graphical > output fbdev isn't for you. Right. I'm working and maintaining such hardware. There is not just x86, there is not just Intel/AMD/nvidia graphics and for those fbdev is still (and will be) important. > * There's no new development in fbdev and there are no new drivers. > Everyone works on DRM, which is better in most regards. In most regards yes. So, don't get me wrong. I fully agree DRM that is the way forward. But on the way forward we shouldn't try to actively break code for others. > The consequence is that userspace is slowly loosing the ability to > use fbdev. Maybe. > * A few use-cases for efifb remain, but distributions are actively > moving away from fbdev. I know that at least openSUSE, Fedora and > Alpine do this. Debian is still running on lots of hardware, either which isn't x86 or which is old hardware. The distributions you mentioned still need fbdev for machines were DRM isn= 't available (yet). > I'd like to hear what your plans are for fbdev? That's easy: * To maintain it. * To keep it working for where DRM can't be used. * My goal is NOT to work against DRM. That's the future of course. Helge > > Best regards > Thomas > >> >> diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS >> index 5d0cd537803a..ce47dbc467cc 100644 >> --- a/MAINTAINERS >> +++ b/MAINTAINERS >> @@ -7583,11 +7583,12 @@ W:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://floatingpoint.sourc= eforge.net/emulator/index.html >> =C2=A0 F:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 arch/x86/math-emu/ >> >> =C2=A0 FRAMEBUFFER LAYER >> -L:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org >> +M:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Helge Deller >> =C2=A0 L:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org >> -S:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Orphan >> +L:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org >> +S:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Maintained >> =C2=A0 Q:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 http://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-f= bdev/list/ >> -T:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 git git://anongit.freedesktop.org/drm/drm-misc >> +T:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 git git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git= /deller/linux-fbdev.git >> =C2=A0 F:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Documentation/fb/ >> =C2=A0 F:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 drivers/video/ >> =C2=A0 F:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 include/linux/fb.h >