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[92.22.10.31]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z4sm2153415wrh.93.2019.09.24.07.40.40 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 24 Sep 2019 07:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: phillip.wood@dunelm.org.uk Subject: Re: [PATCH] add a Code of Conduct document To: =?UTF-8?Q?SZEDER_G=c3=a1bor?= , Jeff King Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, git@sfconservancy.org, Derrick Stolee , Emily Shaffer , Jonathan Nieder , Johannes Schindelin , Junio C Hamano , garimasigit@gmail.com References: <20190924064454.GA30419@sigill.intra.peff.net> <20190924090152.GA7209@szeder.dev> From: Phillip Wood Message-ID: <9e65e95c-4a8d-c904-d8e9-bdd494f41ce0@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 15:40:39 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190924090152.GA7209@szeder.dev> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB-large Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Hi Gábor On 24/09/2019 10:01, SZEDER Gábor wrote: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 02:44:54AM -0400, Jeff King wrote: >> [...] >> >> After some poking around at various CoC options, this one seemed like >> the best fit to me. But I'm open to suggestions or more discussion. It >> seems to me that the important piece is having _some_ CoC, and picking >> something standard-ish seems a safe bet. > > We are decent people, and know how to behave properly and treat each > other with respect. It is my fundamental assumption that all future > contributors are decent and respectful human beings as well. History suggests that almost all will be decent but there will be one or two who aren't and cause trouble. > A CoC > like this, which is "explicit about the behavior we want to model" > (quoting the original discussion starter) inherently insinuates that > we aren't decent, and can't behave without being told how to do so. > Frankly, I find this borderline insulting to me, to my parents, to all > fellow contributors, and to future contributors as well. I don't find it insulting, to me it just sets out that the project welcomes contributors who behave decently. > There are locations, nationalities and cultures, where the avarage > wide-spread CoCs, like Contributor Covenant and its derivatives, are > perceived as (paraphrasing) too "American", politically overcorrect, > corporate BS, etc., which are forced upon open-source projects. > Consequently, such CoCs are often found rather discouraging, and > announcements about their adoption in open-source projects generally > get negative reaction. > > Less is more. Much-much more. A concise CoC that treats its readers > as responsible, well-behaved human beings is met with much approval. I was pleasantly surprised at how short the proposed CoC is, I don't think it's too long at all. It only takes a couple of minutes to read and is quite clear. Best Wishes Phillip > Take, for example, the TrueOS Rules of Conduct, which in just a few > short sentences covers everything that's worth covering: > > https://www.trueos.org/rulesofconduct/ > > If diversity and inclusion of other cultures is indeed a priority, > then we should carefully consider that some potential contributors > will rather choose not to contribute because of a CoC like this. > > >> If people are on board with this direction, it might be fun to pick up a >> bunch of "Acked-by" trailers from people in the community who agree with >> it. It might give it more weight if many members have publicly endorsed >> it. > > Because of the above I'm leaning towards NACK. >