From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: "Leslie Rhorer" Subject: RE: raid1 with rotating offsite disks for backup Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 22:53:30 -0600 Message-ID: References: <20110208111743.1479308d@notabene.brown> Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: In-Reply-To: <20110208111743.1479308d@notabene.brown> Sender: linux-raid-owner@vger.kernel.org To: 'NeilBrown' , 'Jeff Klingner' Cc: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org List-Id: linux-raid.ids > -----Original Message----- > From: linux-raid-owner@vger.kernel.org [mailto:linux-raid- > owner@vger.kernel.org] On Behalf Of NeilBrown > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 6:18 PM > To: Jeff Klingner > Cc: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org > Subject: Re: raid1 with rotating offsite disks for backup > > On Mon, 7 Feb 2011 15:53:46 -0800 Jeff Klingner > wrote: > > > I'm planning a backup system for my home server and have run into a > question I can't find answered in the mailing list archives or the wiki. > Here's the plan: > > > > 1. Install system and valuable data on a 3-disk raid1 array (call the > disks A, B, and C). > > 2. Remove disk C, put it offsite. ("offsite" is moderately time- > consuming to get to.) > > 3a. Periodically, remove disk B, take it offsite, and retrieve disk C > > 3b. Insert disk C, which will be re-synced to gain any changes made > since it was removed. > > 4. Repeat steps 3a and 3b indefinitely, alternating the roles of disks B > and C. > > > > Thus I hope to get continuous protection against a single drive failure > and protection back to the last offsite swap for corrupted or deleted > data. > > > > My questions are: > > > > In step 3b, when a disk that was a member of the array in the past but > has been removed for a while is re-inserted into the 3-disk array, how > does the raid system know to update C with A's contents and not A with C's > contents? Is there a timestamp involved, and if so, how can I examine it > before syncing? > > > > Is it important to always rotate disks B and C, leaving one that never > leaves the computer, or does it make no difference which of the two live > disks I pluck out to swap with the offsite disk when I make the trip? Can > all three disks take turns offsite, so that they all have the same duty > cycle? > > > > I saw in another list message the advice to use two stacked raid1s for > this application: http://marc.info/?l=linux-raid&m=126761399008775&w=2 > > > Also, if you want two rotating backups I would create two stacked > raid1s. > > > > > > mdadm -C /dev/md0 -l1 -n2 -b internal /dev/main-device /dev/first- > backup > > > mdadm -C /dev/md1 -l1 -n2 -b internal /dev/md0 /dev/second-backup > > > mkfs -j /dev/md1 > > > > > > Are there important differences between the single 3-disk raid1 array > I'm planning to use and this stacked configuration? > > Yes. The single 3-disk RAID1 array won't work, the stacked configuration > will. Oh. I think I mis-read his original post. When I read it the first time, I inferred he was attempting this to do a full backup of the array. Reading again, I think you are correct. If he wants to just update the data on the array, I think rsync (or maybe dar) would be a better solution. If he wants a full backup from scratch, I don't see why a RAID1 solution would not work, do you? > md can resync 'just the changed blocks' by using the 'write intent bitmap' > and event counters. > However it only clears the bits in the bitmap when the array is not > degraded. > In your suggestion the 3-drive RAID1 is always degraded so bits are never > cleared, so each resync is effectively a complete resync. Yeah, to do a full backup from scratch, I think I would set the array up as a 2 drive array, take the array off-line, remove one drive, assemble the array, and then add the spare. 'Clumsy, though. I still think he would be better off with rsync or dar.