From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton Subject: Re: git pack/unpack over bittorrent - works! Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 22:24:37 +0100 Message-ID: References: <201009042316.38655.jnareb@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Cc: "Ted Ts'o" , Nicolas Pitre , Junio C Hamano , git@vger.kernel.org To: Jakub Narebski X-From: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Sat Sep 04 23:25:12 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcvg-git-2@lo.gmane.org Received: from vger.kernel.org ([209.132.180.67]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Os0EX-0003zW-Br for gcvg-git-2@lo.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Sep 2010 23:25:09 +0200 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753848Ab0IDVYj convert rfc822-to-quoted-printable (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:24:39 -0400 Received: from mail-vw0-f46.google.com ([209.85.212.46]:56681 "EHLO mail-vw0-f46.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752579Ab0IDVYi convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Sep 2010 17:24:38 -0400 Received: by vws3 with SMTP id 3so2311132vws.19 for ; Sat, 04 Sep 2010 14:24:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=h7uH0B+UrCv9eLJk69tjyn5KLERJCGZ1k5MQim7LnBI=; b=fgK8n6+6ExkyLFYrjsHwOquVGxJglCUysGgWnVfIZLG/EjDWjwWNBYie0kM3Cr3rqL 9gnvpmRWb8XhMpYnXtvfqPDOHG4X7AtxdgaF8Z6N7bo3CkVXdUfOpCxjJASgiMo5e1u7 WNre6patI9qbjm3SWVedBcWwkTu8teukIbVZg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rBHNzTpWzzi5CS5coj1FKui9AUnAbevuX2rYSAV8P7jyf6GfWVoa+GyITHEr/CClWm VyH3D3Y0GOO0ORZHJ0/Ai7zAkAyJkjTUkwQnE606d6Pgw9yKGH1FzvFX9YB2CSXM1/DH WN0iDMkPzuadUloZXnYanGkxfB8ijYYecPbYU= Received: by 10.220.158.9 with SMTP id d9mr205467vcx.245.1283635477558; Sat, 04 Sep 2010 14:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.98.8 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Sep 2010 14:24:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201009042316.38655.jnareb@gmail.com> Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Archived-At: On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 10:16 PM, Jakub Narebski wrot= e: > On Sat, Sep 4, 2010, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Jakub Narebski wr= ote: >> >> > Luke, you don't have to be peer-to-peer to be decentralized and >> > distributed. =C2=A0People from what I understand bitch most about >> > centralized (and closed) services. >> >> i've covered this in the FAQ i wrote: >> >> FAQ: >> >> Q: is git a "distributed source control system"? >> A: yeees, but the "distribution" part has to be done the hard way, >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0by setting up servers, forcing developers and users to = configure >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0git to use those [single-point-of-failure] servers. =C2= =A0so it's >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0"more correct" to say that git is a "distributable" sou= rce control >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0system. > > "Distributed" is not equivalent to "peer to peer". correct. exactly. > Setting up server (git, smart HTTP, ssh) is not that hard. for you and me, and for the majority of people developing git, this is= correct. >> proper peer-to-peer networking infrastructure takes care of things >> like firewall-busting, by using UPnP automatically, as part of the >> infrastructure. > > With "smart" HTTP transport support there is no need for any > firewall-busting. the assumption is that the users are capable of deploying a server (at all), and are happy to reconfigure to use that server. ok. this is getting off-topic and is distracting, both for me and for people wishing to read about git. with respect, jakob, i'm going to do something which i don't normally do, and that's begin to be selective about what i reply to. apologies, but i'm on very short timescales to get this code working, for financial reasons. l.