Re: Fwd: a Great Idea - include Kademlia networking protocol in kernel -- REVISITED

From: Honglei Cong <conghonglei@gmail.com>
To: Marcos <stalkingtime@gmail.com>
Cc: Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>, netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Fwd: a Great Idea - include Kademlia networking protocol in kernel -- REVISITED
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:11:00 +0800	[thread overview]
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On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Marcos <stalkingtime@gmail.com> wrote:
> [Eric Dumazet wrote:]
>> But we dont want a "super operating system". We want a good one.
>
> Yes, well you have that, I think, speaking at the kernel level.  But
> the thing is, people are building tools that mimic such anyway, and
> the next wave of new value will be found there.
>
>> Memory stores done in userland are as fast as memory stores done in
>> kernel.
>
> Really? And how about the abstraction-level?  because that will either
> make it lucrative or not for developers to build applications for
> it.....
>
>> Once you need to access files, perform complex searches, timers,
>> logging, and all the stuff, you really want to do it from userland, in
>> high level language that many programmers master, or get something that
>> is too complex/buggy.
>
> Yes, of course, all that will have to be considered.   But I'm
> suggesting that such a move is an investment in the future, that the
> the number of machines that will want or request peer-2-peer
> connectivity will (or should) only increase.  Done right, such a move
> should *simplify* things.  We're biased to think in centralized ways
> because of the centuries-old history of *who* has the resources.  But
> as networking, computation, and storage become commodified further,
> whole new topologies for the *right* architecture become available.
> The idea of "the OS" itself morphs.   And the *only* way maximize the
Agree with u.  But 'kernel' is not.

> value of the network is to make it easy to connect and communicate
> between peers -- what happens after that is so radical it can hardly
> be speculated because it gets into the realm of emergent complexity.
> Again, I refer you to Reed's law on the value of such networks.
>
> marcos
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