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From: Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>
To: Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Bharata B Rao <bharata@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Dhaval Giani <dhaval.giani@gmail.com>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Vaidyanathan Srinivasan <svaidy@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Srivatsa Vaddagiri <vatsa@in.ibm.com>,
	Kamalesh Babulal <kamalesh@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>
Cc: torbenh <torbenh@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [patch 02/15] sched: validate CFS quota hierarchies
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:49:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTikfTB_VW4p9eGXnB71q-7s2qRR=ZK57eJQyF-Qn@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110323103906.GC5507@siel.b>

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:39 AM, torbenh <torbenh@gmx.de> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 08:03:28PM -0700, Paul Turner wrote:
>> Add constraints validation for CFS bandwidth hierachies.
>>
>> It is checked that:
>>    sum(child bandwidth) <= parent_bandwidth
>>
>> In a quota limited hierarchy, an unconstrainted entity
>> (e.g. bandwidth==RUNTIME_INF) inherits the bandwidth of its parent.
>>
>> Since bandwidth periods may be non-uniform we normalize to the maximum allowed
>> period, 5 seconds.
>>
>> This behavior may be disabled (allowing child bandwidth to exceed parent) via
>> kernel.sched_cfs_bandwidth_consistent=0
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>
>>
>> ---
>>  include/linux/sched.h |    8 +++
>>  kernel/sched.c        |  127 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---
>>  kernel/sched_fair.c   |    8 +++
>>  kernel/sysctl.c       |   11 ++++
>>  4 files changed, 147 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
>>
>> Index: tip/kernel/sched.c
>> ===================================================================
>> --- tip.orig/kernel/sched.c
>> +++ tip/kernel/sched.c
>> +static int tg_cfs_schedulable_down(struct task_group *tg, void *data)
>> +{
>> +     struct cfs_schedulable_data *d = data;
>> +     struct cfs_bandwidth *cfs_b = tg_cfs_bandwidth(tg);
>> +     s64 quota = 0, parent_quota = -1;
>> +
>> +     quota = normalize_cfs_quota(tg, d);
>> +     if (!tg->parent) {
>> +             quota = RUNTIME_INF;
>> +     } else {
>> +             struct cfs_bandwidth *parent_b = tg_cfs_bandwidth(tg->parent);
>> +
>> +             parent_quota = parent_b->hierarchal_quota;
>> +             if (parent_quota != RUNTIME_INF) {
>> +                     parent_quota -= quota;
>> +                     /* invalid hierarchy, child bandwidth exceeds parent */
>> +                     if (parent_quota < 0)
>> +                             return -EINVAL;
>> +             }
>> +
>> +             /* if no inherent limit then inherit parent quota */
>> +             if (quota == RUNTIME_INF)
>> +                     quota = parent_quota;
>> +             parent_b->hierarchal_quota = parent_quota;
>> +     }
>> +     cfs_b->hierarchal_quota = quota;
>> +
>> +     return 0;
>> +}
>
> I find this logic pretty weird.
> As long as quota == INF i can overcommit, but as soon as there is some
> quota, i can not ?
>

I don't think I understand what you mean by being able to overcommit
when quota ==INF.  For a state of overcommit to exist an upper limit
must exist to exceed.

> Its clear, that one needs to be able to overcommit runtime, or the
> default runtime for a new cgroup would need to be 0.

Actually this is one of the primary reasons that the semantic of
inheritance was chosen.  By inheriting our parent's quota all existing
hiearchies remain valid.

There are also many cases which are not expressible without such a semantic:

Consider,

     X
  /  |   \
A  B  C

Suppose we have the following constraints:
X - is the top level application group, we wish to provision X with 4 cpus
C - is a threadpool performing some background work, we wish it to
consume no more than 2 cpus
A/B - split the remaining time available to the hierarchy

If we require absolute limits on A/B there is no way to allow this
usage, we must establish a priori hard usage ratios; yet, if a usage
ratio is desired using cpu.shares to specify this is a much better
solution as gives you a soft-ratio while remaining work-conserving
with respect to X's limit).


> The root problem imo is that runtime and shares should not be in the
> same cgroup subsystem. The semantics are too different.
>

Shares are a relative and represent a lower limit for cgroup bandwidth
Bandwidth is absolute and represents an upper limit for cgroup bandwidth

Given that one is absolute and the other relative, the semantics will
be necessarily different.  It does not work to extend bandwidth from
the definition of shares since there are many use-cases which require
their specification to be independent.

They are however intrinsically related since they effectively form
upper/lower bounds on the same parameter and should be controlled from
the same group.

>> +
>> +static int __cfs_schedulable(struct task_group *tg, u64 period, u64 quota)
>> +{
>> +     int ret;
>> +     struct cfs_schedulable_data data = {
>> +             .tg = tg,
>> +             .period = period / NSEC_PER_USEC,
>> +             .quota = quota / NSEC_PER_USEC,
>> +     };
>> +
>> +     if (!sysctl_sched_cfs_bandwidth_consistent)
>> +             return 0;
>> +
>> +     rcu_read_lock();
>> +     ret = walk_tg_tree(tg_cfs_schedulable_down, tg_nop,
>> +                         &data);
>> +     rcu_read_unlock();
>
> walk_tg_tree does the rcu_read_lock itself.
> not necessary to do that here.
> look at __rt_schedulable there is no rcu.
>

Oops yeah -- I wrote this one after fiddling with the new _from
variant (which does require rcu_lock to be external); you're right,
it's not needed here.  Thanks!

>
>> +
>> +     return ret;
>> +}
>
> --
> torben Hohn
>

  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-23 20:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-23  3:03 [patch 00/15] CFS Bandwidth Control V5 Paul Turner
2011-03-23  3:03 ` [patch 01/15] sched: introduce primitives to account for CFS bandwidth tracking Paul Turner
2011-03-24 12:38   ` Kamalesh Babulal
2011-04-05 13:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-23  3:03 ` [patch 02/15] sched: validate CFS quota hierarchies Paul Turner
2011-03-23 10:39   ` torbenh
2011-03-23 20:49     ` Paul Turner [this message]
2011-03-24  6:31   ` Bharata B Rao
2011-04-08 17:01     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-29  6:57   ` Hidetoshi Seto
2011-04-04 23:10     ` Paul Turner
2011-04-05 13:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-23  3:03 ` [patch 03/15] sched: accumulate per-cfs_rq cpu usage Paul Turner
2011-04-05 13:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-06 20:44     ` Paul Turner
2011-04-05 13:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-06 20:47     ` Paul Turner
2011-03-23  3:03 ` [patch 04/15] sched: throttle cfs_rq entities which exceed their local quota Paul Turner
2011-03-23  5:09   ` Mike Galbraith
2011-03-23 20:53     ` Paul Turner
2011-03-24  6:36   ` Bharata B Rao
2011-03-24  7:40     ` Paul Turner
2011-04-05 13:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 23:15     ` Paul Turner
2011-03-23  3:03 ` [patch 05/15] sched: unthrottle cfs_rq(s) who ran out of quota at period refresh Paul Turner
2011-04-05 13:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 13:33     ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 13:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-05 13:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-23  3:03 ` [patch 06/15] sched: allow for positional tg_tree walks Paul Turner
2011-03-23  3:03 ` [patch 07/15] sched: prevent interactions between throttled entities and load-balance Paul Turner
2011-04-05 13:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-23  3:03 ` [patch 08/15] sched: migrate throttled tasks on HOTPLUG Paul Turner
2011-04-05 13:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-06  2:31     ` Paul Turner
2011-03-23  3:03 ` [patch 09/15] sched: add exports tracking cfs bandwidth control statistics Paul Turner
2011-04-05 13:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-23  3:03 ` [patch 10/15] sched: (fixlet) dont update shares twice on on_rq parent Paul Turner
2011-04-05 13:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-23  3:03 ` [patch 11/15] sched: hierarchical task accounting for SCHED_OTHER Paul Turner
2011-04-05 13:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-23  3:03 ` [patch 12/15] sched: maintain throttled rqs as a list Paul Turner
2011-04-22  2:50   ` Hidetoshi Seto
2011-04-24 21:23     ` Paul Turner
2011-03-23  3:03 ` [patch 13/15] sched: expire slack quota using generation counters Paul Turner
2011-04-05 13:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-06  7:22     ` Paul Turner
2011-04-06  8:15       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-06 11:26       ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-03-23  3:03 ` [patch 14/15] sched: return unused quota on voluntary sleep Paul Turner
2011-04-05 13:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-04-06  2:25     ` Paul Turner
2011-03-23  3:03 ` [patch 15/15] sched: add documentation for bandwidth control Paul Turner
2011-03-24  6:38   ` Bharata B Rao
2011-03-24 16:12 ` [patch 00/15] CFS Bandwidth Control V5 Bharata B Rao
2011-03-31  7:57 ` Xiao Guangrong
2011-04-04 23:10   ` Paul Turner
2011-04-05 13:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2011-05-20  2:12 ` Test for CFS Bandwidth Control V6 Xiao Guangrong
2011-05-24  0:53   ` Hidetoshi Seto
2011-05-24  7:56     ` Xiao Guangrong
2011-06-08  2:54     ` Paul Turner
2011-06-08  5:55       ` Hidetoshi Seto

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