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From: Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@googlemail.com>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com>,
	jan.kratochvil@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] ptrace: make sure do_wait() won't hang after PTRACE_ATTACH
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:05:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTin1ufNRPx173HgxD5jbPy3m6kK2-2ppU-jqPx0F@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110214150656.GA8761@redhat.com>

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 02/13, Denys Vlasenko wrote:
>>
>> For example, PTRACE_DETACH requires tracee to be stopped to succeed.
>> If debugger tries to detach while the tracee is running, it will get
>> an error. This forces debugger to do stupid things like sending SIGSTOP,
>> then waiting for tracee to stop, then doing PTRACE_DETACH, then
>> sending SIGCONT. Of course, while this dance is performed,
>> any SIGSTOPs/SIGCONTs which may be  sent to the tracee by other processes
>> are totally disrupted by this.
>
> Yes.
>
>> The natural (for me) fix is to make PTRACE_DETACH work even on running
>> tracee. It simply makes a lot of sense. Why on earth do we need tracee
>> to be stopped? There is no reason.
>
> Agreed, but
>
>> But this is a change in ptrace behavior, and therefore is not acceptable
>> for Roland.
>
> I agree with Roland. Not only this is too visible change, it is not clear
> what detach-with-signal can do if the tracee is not stopped.
>
> This was (very briefly) discussed recently. Probably we can implement
> PTRACE_DETACH_RUNNING (the name is random) which doesn't require the
> stopped tracee but ignores the "data" argument.

IIRC data argument is already ignored by PTRACE_CONT if it is issued in
the ptrace stop which wasn't caused by signal delivery to the tracee.

Basically, *if debugger sees SIGfoo*, it can either allow it:
ptrace(PTRACE_CONT, ...,  SIGfoo);
ignore it:
ptrace(PTRACE_CONT, ...,  0);
or even inject some other signal:
ptrace(PTRACE_CONT, ...,  SIGbar);

but if it resumes tracee from, say, post-execve ptrace stop,
it can't inject a signal: last ptrace() argument will be ignored.

So, it isn't a new precedent to make
ptrace(PTRACE_DETACH, ...,  <something>);
to ignore <something> if tracee isn't in signal-delivery-induced ptrace stop.
In particular, if it isn't in any stop at all, if it's running.

-- 
vda

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-02-14 17:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 160+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-01-28 15:08 [PATCHSET] ptrace,signal: group stop / ptrace updates Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 15:08 ` [PATCH 01/10] signal: fix SIGCONT notification code Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 15:08 ` [PATCH 02/10] ptrace: remove the extra wake_up_process() from ptrace_detach() Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 18:46   ` Roland McGrath
2011-01-31 10:38     ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-01 10:26       ` [PATCH] ptrace: use safer wake up on ptrace_detach() Tejun Heo
2011-02-01 13:40         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-01 15:07           ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-01 19:17             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-02  5:31             ` Roland McGrath
2011-02-02 10:35               ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-02  0:27         ` Andrew Morton
2011-02-02  5:33           ` Roland McGrath
2011-02-02  5:38             ` Andrew Morton
2011-02-02 10:34               ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-02 19:33                 ` Andrew Morton
2011-02-02 20:01                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-02 21:40             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-02  5:29         ` Roland McGrath
2011-02-02  5:28       ` [PATCH 02/10] ptrace: remove the extra wake_up_process() from ptrace_detach() Roland McGrath
2011-01-28 15:08 ` [PATCH 03/10] signal: remove superflous try_to_freeze() loop in do_signal_stop() Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 18:46   ` Roland McGrath
2011-01-28 15:08 ` [PATCH 04/10] ptrace: kill tracehook_notify_jctl() Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 21:09   ` Roland McGrath
2011-01-28 15:08 ` [PATCH 05/10] ptrace: add @why to ptrace_stop() Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 18:48   ` Roland McGrath
2011-01-28 15:08 ` [PATCH 06/10] signal: fix premature completion of group stop when interfered by ptrace Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 21:22   ` Roland McGrath
2011-01-31 11:00     ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-02  5:44       ` Roland McGrath
2011-02-02 10:56         ` Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 15:08 ` [PATCH 07/10] signal: use GROUP_STOP_PENDING to stop once for a single group stop Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 15:08 ` [PATCH 08/10] ptrace: participate in group stop from ptrace_stop() iff the task is trapping for " Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 21:30   ` Roland McGrath
2011-01-31 11:26     ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-02  5:57       ` Roland McGrath
2011-02-02 10:53         ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-03 10:02           ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-01 19:36     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-01-28 15:08 ` [PATCH 09/10] ptrace: make do_signal_stop() use ptrace_stop() if the task is being ptraced Tejun Heo
2011-01-28 15:08 ` [PATCH 10/10] ptrace: clean transitions between TASK_STOPPED and TRACED Tejun Heo
2011-02-03 20:41   ` [PATCH 0/1] (Was: ptrace: clean transitions between TASK_STOPPED and TRACED) Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-03 20:41     ` [PATCH 1/1] ptrace: make sure do_wait() won't hang after PTRACE_ATTACH Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-03 21:36       ` Roland McGrath
2011-02-03 21:44         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-04 10:53           ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-04 13:04             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-04 14:48               ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-04 17:06                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-05 13:39                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-07 13:42                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-07 14:11                       ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-07 15:37                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-07 16:31                           ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-07 17:48                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-09 14:18                               ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-09 14:21                                 ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-09 21:25                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-13 23:01                                   ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-14  9:03                                     ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-02-14 11:39                                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-14 17:32                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 16:01                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-26  3:59                                       ` Pavel Machek
2011-02-14 15:51                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 14:50                                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-14 18:53                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-13 22:25                                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-14 15:13                                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-14 16:15                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 16:33                                       ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-14 17:23                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 17:20                                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-14 17:30                                       ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-14 17:45                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 17:54                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-21 15:16                                           ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-21 15:28                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-21 16:11                                               ` [pseudo patch] ptrace should respect the group stop Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-22 16:24                                               ` [PATCH 1/1] ptrace: make sure do_wait() won't hang after PTRACE_ATTACH Tejun Heo
2011-02-24 21:08                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-25 15:45                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-25 17:42                                                     ` Roland McGrath
2011-02-28 15:23                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 17:51                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 18:55                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-14 19:01                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 19:42                                             ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-14 20:01                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-15 15:24                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-15 15:58                                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-15 17:31                                                   ` Roland McGrath
2011-02-15 20:27                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-18 17:02                                                       ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-18 19:37                                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-21 16:22                                                           ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-21 16:49                                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-21 16:59                                                               ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-23 19:31                                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-25 15:10                                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-24 20:29                                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-25 15:51                                                               ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-26  2:48                                                                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-28 12:56                                                                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-28 13:16                                                                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-28 13:29                                                                       ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-28 13:41                                                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-28 13:53                                                                           ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-28 14:25                                                                             ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-28 14:39                                                                               ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-28 16:48                                                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-28 14:36                                                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-16 21:51                                       ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-02-17  3:37                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-17 19:19                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-18 21:11                                             ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-02-19 20:16                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-17 16:49                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-17 18:58                                           ` Roland McGrath
2011-02-17 19:33                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-18 21:34                                           ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-02-19 20:06                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-20  9:40                                               ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-02-20 17:06                                                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-20 17:48                                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-20 19:10                                                   ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-02-20 19:16                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-20 17:16                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-20 18:52                                                   ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-02-20 20:38                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-20 21:06                                                       ` `(T) stopped' preservation after _exit() [Re: [PATCH 1/1] ptrace: make sure do_wait() won't hang after PTRACE_ATTACH] Jan Kratochvil
2011-02-20 21:19                                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-20 21:20                                                       ` [PATCH 1/1] ptrace: make sure do_wait() won't hang after PTRACE_ATTACH Jan Kratochvil
2011-02-21 14:23                                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-23 16:44                                                           ` Jan Kratochvil
2011-02-14 15:31                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 17:24                                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-14 17:39                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 17:57                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-14 18:00                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 18:06                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 18:59                                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-13 21:24                 ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-02-14 15:06                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 15:19                     ` Tejun Heo
2011-02-14 16:20                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-14 17:05                     ` Denys Vlasenko [this message]
2011-02-14 17:18                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-01-28 16:54 ` [PATCHSET] ptrace,signal: group stop / ptrace updates Ingo Molnar
2011-01-28 17:41   ` Thomas Gleixner
2011-01-28 18:04     ` Anca Emanuel
2011-01-28 18:36       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-01-28 17:55   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-01-28 18:29     ` Bash not reacting to Ctrl-C Ingo Molnar
2011-02-05 20:34       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-07 13:08         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-02-09  6:17           ` Michael Witten
2011-02-09 14:53             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-02-09 19:37               ` Michael Witten
2011-02-11 14:41           ` Pavel Machek

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