From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail-iy0-f175.google.com ([209.85.210.175]) by linuxtogo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1PfSmE-0003R6-FJ for openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org; Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:48:22 +0100 Received: by iyj18 with SMTP id 18so532373iyj.6 for ; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:47:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=gE0sM+66NZE89LWQsQM2/WjKn9M6G25YK5lvBVaVXR8=; b=YSmPW5KuFDu6y/b08bnjrRR39oRje1O54VwlSDRSB1jBLPngeaQiSXg1pyRMVj4Alx JHn6rTIfP1DaBqV6WPrGyjPoIAHdCcpqs3jrnmrFS+A6msUs/davyYUg4+cU0fE9s7Y2 7mcL13FllEgs27L3nEsr2zfu4zSCSJdtpKbUI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=beSlNuhTZk/Tk6xzHCPb6zB7i00stjLPrx9sfvFEnLNpNJW1MF/dDeqNSdOEwKDH2A PMVNQsKXsovRagMaNjUBvCGXhKbywaT3ZqL+mLrjDK595yC32+DfMqEsIuHRMrHgUprD A0SqgD0FB92JJgc+DGu7IWnh3WIzd3NMWKLpw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.34.65 with SMTP id k1mr405760ibd.9.1295423262452; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:47:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.213.234 with HTTP; Tue, 18 Jan 2011 23:47:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1295027350.14388.6527.camel@rex> <4D353F81.50301@xora.org.uk> <4D35C5C3.60205@mentor.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 08:47:42 +0100 Message-ID: From: Frans Meulenbroeks To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org Subject: Re: Yocto Project and OE - Where now? X-BeenThere: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org List-Id: Using the OpenEmbedded metadata to build Distributions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 07:48:22 -0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2011/1/18 Koen Kooi : > But in the end if boils down to "Does OE wants to make life hard for > DISTROs or easy". Frans is firmly in the "make it hard" camp, I hope > others have a saner point of view. I don't want to make it hard for the distro's but I feel the distro's should not make it hard for the package maintainers (which happens if every distro pins its favourite version of recipe foo). You're just pushing the burden of the distro choices onto the package maintainer. (and frankly, I feel the package maintainer has a much harder job than the distro maintainers) But then again you already clearly exhibited on several occasions in the past how much you care about other users and distros. :-( Root cause of your problem is that angstrom wants to provide a live binary feed of git head. Something that is bound to encounter problems on occasions. Git head it bleeding edge, so sometimes it bleeds. That is an effect of moving forward. The alternative is reduce pace and loose momentum (which is what you are doing right now). And anyone with some sense of quality can explain you that publishing untested binary packages is not really a good idea quality wise. I think the angstrom users would be better off with releases. > > If you're forcing 90% of your users to put e.g. udev_162.bb in their > layer you're doing it wrong. But you're also doing it wrong if you have > 20 udev recipes :) We fully agree on both cases. Then again hardly anyone seems to be willing to clean up, and those who do only face headwind. And frankly speaking a good package maintainer would have prevented those 20 (well actually about 10) recipes to happen, keeping just one or a few versions (that are kept for good reasons). Frans