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From: jordan <triplesquarednine@gmail.com>
To: Daniel James <daniel@64studio.com>
Cc: Raz <raziebe@gmail.com>, linux-rt-users <linux-rt-users@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: preempt rt in commercial use
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:37:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AANLkTinNqKgimudLt6CTCBu2z_08h8Whwx-j8fwSjA_B@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C91EC5A.7070105@64studio.com>

Hey Daniel,

>> Next, in the Pro-audio sector, you have Muse Research who make the
>> "Recepter".  Which is a hardware VST host.
>
> That's just one example of many in the pro audio sector (that we know
> about, since the companies involved aren't required to disclose their
> use of GNU/Linux - it's a competitive advantage, so they have a
> disincentive to do so). Several flagship audio mixing and recording
> systems use the Linux kernel, including the Harrison Xrange:

Muse Research doesn't hide their linux usage - they advertise it, and
if you look at the demo videos, they explain quite clearly why they
use it over any other OS...  These companies should be using linux, in
my opinion. I just hope they contribute some code back to the
Open-source community, as i feel that is important. Not to give away
everything,
but hey, throw us a bone or two. ya know...?

> http://www.harrisonconsoles.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=51
>
> and the Midas XL8:
>
> http://www.midasconsoles.com/xl8.php
>
> If you have been to see a Hollywood movie, or attended a stadium gig on
> a rock band's world tour, you have almost certainly been listening to
> audio mixed on a Harrison or Midas console - these companies are at the
> top of their game.

Oh crap, i should've mentioned that one. I am very aware of Harrison.
I took an audio engineering program, and also have friends in the
industry, so i have had a chance to see some of this stuff up close.
My cousin also has managed some of the biggest rock acts on the
planet, so i have been somewhat lucky. I have also taken a look at
Mixbus too.  Ya, the BBC uses Harrison...  I have no experience with
Midas(i've heard of them though),
Thanks for the link, i'll have a look.

> RT-Linux provides significant advantage for these companies over
> proprietary RTOS products because of time-to-market, not licence costs:
> there are many audio software components available for re-use, leaving
> the integrator to write the last parts of the code.

> There's also knowledge transfer from the Linux HPC sector - for example,
> the Xrange uses up to 120 Opteron CPUs, so it's hardly a 'desktop'
> system. You don't get that combination of high performance and reliable,
> re-usable source code with any other platform, RT or otherwise.

Interesting stuff. (you seem to be quite well-informed)

> Licence fees for proprietary software aren't the big deal for companies
> selling a relatively small number of expensive products. I think people
> get confused with consumer products like mobile phones, where it's
> supposedly all about volume. Actually, I think the independence of OEM's
> from proprietary software vendors has more to do with it.

I agree.

> Microsoft has significant lock-in with consumers, and yet it still can't persuade
> people to buy Windows phones :-)

Microsoft's bad business practices, and crappy software, is why no one
is loyal to them, or interested in Windows CE.
I used one, and was not impressed, neither was my friend who ditched
the phone a month later. it sucks, Especially when compared to either
Android, and obviously the iPhone.

> Cheers!

back at you!

jordan
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      reply	other threads:[~2010-09-16 20:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-14  8:10 preempt rt in commercial use Raz
2010-09-14  9:04 ` Rolando Martins
2010-09-14  9:10   ` Raz
2010-09-14  9:20     ` Rolando Martins
2010-09-14  9:17 ` Nikita V. Youshchenko
2010-09-14  9:24   ` Raz
2010-09-14  9:44     ` Robert Schwebel
2010-09-14 12:16       ` Armin Steinhoff
2010-09-14 13:04         ` Daniel James
2010-09-14 13:08         ` Pradyumna Sampath
2010-09-14 22:11           ` Nivedita Singhvi
2010-09-14 13:09         ` Klaas van Gend
2010-09-14 13:17         ` David Kastrup
2010-09-14 13:37           ` Darcy Watkins
2010-09-14 13:58         ` Patrice Kadionik
2010-09-14 14:21       ` Jeff Angielski
2010-09-14 14:30         ` Nikita V. Youshchenko
2010-09-14 14:49           ` Jeff Angielski
2010-09-14 22:20             ` Nivedita Singhvi
2010-09-15  7:48               ` Armin Steinhoff
2010-09-15 14:09                 ` Nivedita Singhvi
2010-09-15 14:45                   ` Pradyumna Sampath
2010-09-16 10:17                     ` Daniel James
2010-09-16 10:35                       ` Pradyumna Sampath
2010-09-16 15:19                       ` Raz
2010-09-15 15:38                   ` David Kastrup
2010-09-15 16:02                     ` Nivedita Singhvi
2010-09-15 16:20                       ` David Kastrup
2010-09-16  0:44                         ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-16 15:27                           ` Nivedita Singhvi
2010-09-16 17:30                             ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-16 19:27                               ` Armin Steinhoff
2010-09-16 19:38                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-15 13:33             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-09-14 14:44         ` Pradyumna Sampath
2010-09-15 12:48           ` Sergio Ruocco
2010-09-15 12:53             ` Pradyumna Sampath
2010-09-15 14:58             ` Paul E. McKenney
2010-09-15 16:27             ` Sven-Thorsten Dietrich
2010-09-16  0:49               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-16  5:06                 ` David Kastrup
2010-09-14 14:56         ` Armin Steinhoff
2010-09-14 15:42         ` Patrice Kadionik
2010-09-14 17:38         ` Gregory Haskins
2010-09-14 22:09           ` Nivedita Singhvi
2010-09-15  6:22             ` Patrice Kadionik
     [not found]               ` <4C90CF71.2050205@us.ibm.com>
2010-09-15 13:56                 ` Patrice Kadionik
2010-09-15 14:08               ` Steven Rostedt
2010-09-14 10:06   ` Klaas van Gend
2010-09-14 11:00     ` David Kastrup
2010-09-14  9:28 ` Pradyumna Sampath
2010-09-14 14:13 ` Reagan Thomas
2010-09-15  7:09   ` AW: " Lukas Redlinger
2010-09-15  3:38 ` jordan
2010-09-15  8:59   ` Klaas van Gend
2010-09-15 11:03     ` TinxCore and PREEMPT_RT Armin Steinhoff
2010-09-16  9:38       ` Armin Steinhoff
2010-09-16 10:18         ` David Kastrup
2010-09-16 11:25           ` Mike Galbraith
2010-09-16 11:51           ` Armin Steinhoff
2010-09-15 14:03     ` preempt rt in commercial use Nivedita Singhvi
2010-09-15 17:29       ` Reagan Thomas
2010-09-16 10:39         ` Daniel James
2010-09-16 20:47           ` jordan
2010-09-16 10:07   ` Daniel James
2010-09-16 20:37     ` jordan [this message]

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