RE: Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings? From list as sender to originator as sender?

From: "Kerry, Richard" <richard.kerry@atos.net>
To: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, Aaron Schrab <aaron@schrab.com>
Cc: "postmaster@vger.kernel.org" <postmaster@vger.kernel.org>,
	"git@vger.kernel.org" <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: Has there been a change in Git Mailing List settings?  From list as sender to originator as sender?
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 09:22:27 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AM0PR02MB4081CA0FA1878FD098D5417D9C3A0@AM0PR02MB4081.eurprd02.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200918232805.GA1197580@coredump.intra.peff.net>

>-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net> 
Sent: 19 September 2020 00:28

[+cc postmaster@vger; it looks like messages to the git-list stopped including a Sender header as of a few days ago]

On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 06:53:26PM -0400, Aaron Schrab wrote:

> > Not to my knowledge. The smtp-level envelope from on all of the 
> > messages I've received is git-owner@vger.kernel.org. Is there some 
> > other mechanism you might be filtering on?
> 
> Comparing <20200911143321.GA2374950@coredump.intra.peff.net> with the 
> message I'm replying to so that I'd have messages which I would expect 
> to be similar before the list handling I see that that older message 
> included the header
> 
>   Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org
> 
> But the newer message does not have a Sender: header.

Ah, thanks. I even looked for a Sender header, but I stupidly looked at too-recent messages, which of course didn't have one. :)

According to my local archive, we stopped getting Sender headers around
1600296026 (that's the timestamp when I received it), which was

  Date:   Wed, 16 Sep 2020 17:11:50 -0400
  Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] t3200: avoid variations of the `master` branch name
  https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flore.kernel.org%2Fgit%2F20200916211150.GA617237%40coredump.intra.peff.net%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Crichard.kerry%40atos.net%7C18fbfb95670c4239606e08d85c2a8213%7C33440fc6b7c7412cbb730e70b0198d5a%7C0%7C0%7C637360684926108678&amp;sdata=kO%2B18zpArKLse%2FI4JaNNvhqNmv%2F8hnftYyZvWTjVECQ%3D&amp;reserved=0

The message I received right before that was:

  Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 14:25:42 -0700
  Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] t/test-terminal: avoid non-inclusive language
  https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flore.kernel.org%2Fgit%2Fxmqqo8m5v2g9.fsf%40gitster.c.googlers.com%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Crichard.kerry%40atos.net%7C18fbfb95670c4239606e08d85c2a8213%7C33440fc6b7c7412cbb730e70b0198d5a%7C0%7C0%7C637360684926108678&amp;sdata=IL0Td9wrQdVPffYZTycpr1x7jxy5Tq63M2r%2B4h%2Fhb5A%3D&amp;reserved=0

which does have a Sender header (note those are out of order if you believe the client-side Date headers).

> I don't know if that was a deliberate change.

[RK] Yes, those are the two messages either side of the change as I see it.  
[RK] I'm using Outlook (it's a work computer) so I probably don't have the level of control that some other mail readers do, and everything gets a load of spam-filter headers added, making the headers harder to read.  By adding "To: Git" I seem to have got my filters working again under the new, Sender-less, scheme.  That is even working for messages where the Git list is CC-ed rather than Sent to.

[RK] Regards,
[RK] Richard.