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From: Frank Li <frank.li@nxp.com>
To: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Zhi Li <lznuaa@gmail.com>, Shenwei Wang <shenwei.wang@nxp.com>,
	Han Xu <han.xu@nxp.com>, Nitin Garg <nitin.garg@nxp.com>,
	Jason Liu <jason.hui.liu@nxp.com>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: RE: [EXT] Re: The problem about arm64: io: Relax implicit barriers in default I/O accessors
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 21:32:22 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AS8PR04MB85006677E34CD6CC2C132FA2880A9@AS8PR04MB8500.eurprd04.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210621181326.GD29713@willie-the-truck>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 1:13 PM
> To: Frank Li <frank.li@nxp.com>
> Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>; Zhi Li <lznuaa@gmail.com>;
> Shenwei Wang <shenwei.wang@nxp.com>; Han Xu <han.xu@nxp.com>; Nitin Garg
> <nitin.garg@nxp.com>; Jason Liu <jason.hui.liu@nxp.com>; linux-arm-
> kernel@lists.infradead.org
> Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: The problem about arm64: io: Relax implicit barriers
> in default I/O accessors
> 
> Caution: EXT Email
> 
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 05:56:43PM +0000, Frank Li wrote:
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 12:00 PM
> > > To: Frank Li <frank.li@nxp.com>
> > > Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>; Zhi Li
> <lznuaa@gmail.com>;
> > > Shenwei Wang <shenwei.wang@nxp.com>; Han Xu <han.xu@nxp.com>; Nitin
> Garg
> > > <nitin.garg@nxp.com>; Jason Liu <jason.hui.liu@nxp.com>; linux-arm-
> > > kernel@lists.infradead.org
> > > Subject: Re: [EXT] Re: The problem about arm64: io: Relax implicit
> barriers
> > > in default I/O accessors
> > >
> > > Caution: EXT Email
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 05:26:41PM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 04:11:57PM +0000, Frank Li wrote:
> > > > > > Oh, interesting. Maybe this is a case where OSH vs SY actually
> makes
> > > a
> > > > > > difference. I'm not quite sure what it means for the coherency of
> > > normal,
> > > > > > non-cacheable accesses (which are outer-shareable) so that
> probably
> > > needs a
> > > > > > bit more thought.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you confirm that the issue *does* still occur if you use
> dmb(osh)
> > > > > > instead of dmb(oshst), please?
> > > > >
> > > > > After get ARM support
> > >
> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fservices.
> > >
> arm.com%2Fsupport%2Fs%2Fcase%2F5003t00001RuJHw&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cfrank.li%
> > >
> 40nxp.com%7Ca319ac5213a14aa6bb2508d934d5facc%7C686ea1d3bc2b4c6fa92cd99c5c30
> > >
> 1635%7C0%7C0%7C637598915908588560%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwM
> > >
> DAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=6%2F%2FK
> > > ScsCmnUgNPnzcvyjRrOLjLVPrHtbVgI3J959U%2BQ%3D&amp;reserved=0,
> > > > > This issue have some progress.
> > > > >
> > > > > Our system configure SYSBARDISABLE = 0x0, So ARM core barrier
> propagate
> > > to CCI-400
> > > > >
> > > > > Our DMA and USB is located below downstream of CCI-400. So USB or
> DMA
> > > is located
> > > > > in system shared domain. Only use dmb(st), CCI-400 wait for
> previous
> > > transaction
> > > > > Complete. When dma(osh), the response is sent when snoop responses
> are
> > > received for
> > > > > all earlier transactions. CCI-400 don't wait for previous write
> finish.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for following up. I'll cook a patch to fix this...
> > >
> > > ... and in doing so, I realised I still have a question about this.
> > >
> > > If a CPU is writing to a zero-initialised non-cacheable buffer in
> memory
> > > and does something like:
> > >
> > >         buffer[0] = 1;
> > >         dma_wmb();      // DMB OSHST
> > >         buffer[64] = 1;
> > >
> > > would a non-coherent device reading this be able to see buffer[64] == 1
> > > but buffer[0] = 0? In other words, do we need to upgrade the dmb_*
> barriers
> > > as well as the I/O accessors, or are they still ordered by the bus
> fabric
> > > because all of the accesses are going to the DDR?
> >
> > I think re-order is possible. According to my understanding,
> > If cci ack dmb(oshst), the follow order is not guaranteed if no address
> overlap
> > for normal memory.
> 
> Hmm, so that's a bit rubbish because it means that
> load-acquire/store-release to non-cacheable memory will *not* create order
> for non-coherent devices, as the memory type is outer-shareable :/
> 
> So rewriting the above as:
> 
>         buffer[0] = 1;
>         smp_store_release(&buffer[64], 1);
> 
> wouldn't be ordered either.
> 
> Can you confirm that it is the case, please?

I have not test case, which can test it directly. 
I supposed smp_mb is not work for no-coherent dma master. 
If want dma master see order, need dma_wmb(). 

Best regards
Frank Li

> 
> Will

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  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-21 21:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2021-06-17  9:27   ` Catalin Marinas
2021-06-17 17:25     ` Will Deacon
2021-06-17 17:41       ` Will Deacon
2021-06-17 20:11         ` [EXT] " Frank Li
2021-06-17 21:40           ` Will Deacon
2021-06-17 22:13             ` Frank Li
2021-06-18 14:56             ` Nitin Garg
2021-06-21 16:11             ` Frank Li
2021-06-21 16:26               ` Will Deacon
2021-06-21 16:59                 ` Will Deacon
2021-06-21 17:56                   ` Frank Li
2021-06-21 18:13                     ` Will Deacon
2021-06-21 21:32                       ` Frank Li [this message]
2021-06-22  9:11                         ` Will Deacon
2021-06-23 15:48                           ` Frank Li
2021-07-06 17:11                             ` Will Deacon
2021-07-15 15:53                               ` Frank Li
2021-07-22 19:14                                 ` Frank Li
2021-08-09 13:50                                   ` Will Deacon
2021-08-09 14:46                                     ` Frank Li
2021-08-09 15:26                                       ` Will Deacon
2021-08-10 18:50                                         ` Frank Li

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