From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750978AbVLHMYA (ORCPT ); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:24:00 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750985AbVLHMYA (ORCPT ); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:24:00 -0500 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.89]:32273 "EHLO anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750967AbVLHMX7 (ORCPT ); Thu, 8 Dec 2005 07:23:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: <5a2cf1f60512080348l408aa3fal5a6f50e4ca37390@mail.gmail.com> References: <1133779953.9356.9.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <20051205121851.GC2838@holomorphy.com> <20051206011844.GO28539@opteron.random> <43944F42.2070207@didntduck.org> <20051206104652.GB3354@favonius> <20051207141720.GA533@kvack.org> <5a2cf1f60512080142j175bc79eq1b95182d22268b6b@mail.gmail.com> <5a2cf1f60512080348l408aa3fal5a6f50e4ca37390@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: Benjamin LaHaise , Dirk Steuwer , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Felix Oxley Subject: Re: Runs with Linux (tm) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 12:23:49 +0000 To: jerome lacoste X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 8 Dec 2005, at 11:48, jerome lacoste wrote: > [...] >> With a logo a PC vendor such as Dell can stick the logo on their PCs >> if and only if every component in the machine is certified. >> (Including motherboard, on-board graphics, on-boad-sound, on-board >> raid etc. etc.) >> >> This means you or I don't have to try to find out the exact machine >> specification from Dell and then individually check each part against >> the hardware database. > > I completely agree with all your arguments. My point is that your > solution is a long term one. It depends on demand being there, on > hardware vendors to be educated/lobbied/pressured, on both part > vendors and part assemblers to use the logos (as a good side effect > creating the logo might enforce the existance of Linux/Free OS > specialized hardware companies). > > This is a good but long term shot. It will take years before such a > framework becomes effective for the user. > I am not trying to address the immediate problem. This is a strategy to prevent the "Doomsday Scenario" outlined by Arjan which ends up with most drivers being closed source. I said in my other thread (http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/12/7/391): >> The primary motivation for this is that it leverages the >> individual power of each purchaser (of a system or individual >> piece of hardware) be they a consumer, SME, system builder, tier 1 >> or 2 PC manufacturer, government dept., or Linux distro company, >> into a single point of pressure that can be applied to OEMs to >> ensure that they provide open source drivers. regards, Felix