From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1756236Ab1FFOWu (ORCPT ); Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:22:50 -0400 Received: from smtp1.linux-foundation.org ([140.211.169.13]:45093 "EHLO smtp1.linux-foundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751164Ab1FFOWt (ORCPT ); Mon, 6 Jun 2011 10:22:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4DECAE68.16683.1203EBBB@pageexec.freemail.hu> References: <20110606093102.GW27166@one.firstfloor.org> <4DECAE68.16683.1203EBBB@pageexec.freemail.hu> From: Linus Torvalds Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 22:56:23 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 9/9] x86-64: Add CONFIG_UNSAFE_VSYSCALLS to feature-removal-schedule To: pageexec@freemail.hu Cc: Andi Kleen , Andy Lutomirski , Ingo Molnar , x86@kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jesper Juhl , Borislav Petkov , Andrew Morton , Arjan van de Ven , Jan Beulich , richard -rw- weinberger , Mikael Pettersson , Brian Gerst , Louis Rilling , Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 7:39 PM, wrote: > > what is annoying is your covering up of security fixes on grounds that you don't want > to help script kiddies (a bullshit argument as it were) but at the same time question > proactive security measures (one can debate the implementation, see my other mail) that > would *actually* prevent the same kiddies from writing textbook exploits. Shut up unless you have any real arguments. I know you have your hangups, and I just don't care. Calling the old vdso "UNSAFE" as a config option is just plain stupid. t's a politicized name, with no good reason except for your political agenda. And when I call it out as such, you just spout the same tired old security nonsense. I'm happy with perhaps moving away from the fixed-address vdso, but that does not excuse bad naming and non-descriptive crap like the feature-removal thing, and all the insanity going on in the thread. If the config option is about removing the legacy vdso, then CALL IT THAT, instead of spouting idiotic and irrelevant nonsense. Linus