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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@googlemail.com>,
	indan@nul.nu, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	bdonlan@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	jan.kratochvil@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/10] ptrace: implement PTRACE_SEIZE
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 06:32:31 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BANLkTinEXW=nS6KoH7SKHbTit=nKfG7NOw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110531190809.GA20691@redhat.com>

On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 4:08 AM, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On a seriouse note, of course you are right, but what we should do?

Have we *ever* gotten a bug-report about these kinds of things from
actual users?

IOW, it may be an annoying issue from a theoretical standpoint, but
afaik it's not an annoying issue from a practical user standpoint.

Compare it to the _practically_ annoying issue we had with ^C and
bash, where it was fundamentally impossible to know whether the child
actually exited due to the ^C or not due to the interfaces. That one
caused actual practical issues that people hit, and that were
impossible to work around in theory, and hard to work around in
practice..

In comparison, I don't think pid-vs-namespace issues for ptrace or
some subtle interaction with execve is really all that big of a
problem in practice.

Keep the eye on the ball: look around what people actually complain
about for practical reason that they hit, rather than issues that
people say "wouldn't it be nice if.." about.

             Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-31 21:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-16 18:17 [PATCHSET ptrace] ptrace: implement PTRACE_SEIZE/INTERRUPT and group stop notification, take#2 Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 18:17 ` [PATCH 01/10] signal: remove three noop tracehooks Tejun Heo
2011-05-17 16:22   ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-17 16:27     ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-18 18:45   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-19 12:11     ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 16:10       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-16 18:17 ` [PATCH 02/10] job control: introduce JOBCTL_TRAP_STOP and use it for group stop trap Tejun Heo
2011-05-18 16:48   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-18 16:57     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-19 10:19     ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 16:19       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-16 18:17 ` [PATCH 03/10] ptrace: implement PTRACE_SEIZE Tejun Heo
2011-05-18  0:40   ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-18  9:55     ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-18 10:44       ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-18 11:14         ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 14:17       ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 15:02         ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 19:31         ` Pedro Alves
2011-05-19 22:42           ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-19 23:00             ` Pedro Alves
2011-05-20  1:44               ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-20  8:56                 ` Pedro Alves
2011-05-20  9:12                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-20  9:07               ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-20  9:27                 ` Pedro Alves
2011-05-20  9:31                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-24  9:49                     ` Pedro Alves
2011-05-24 12:00                       ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-24 12:36                         ` Pedro Alves
2011-05-24 14:02                           ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-24 14:55                             ` Pedro Alves
2011-05-25 18:18                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-26  9:10                               ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-26 10:01                                 ` Pedro Alves
2011-05-26 10:11                                   ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-26 14:55                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-23 13:09         ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-23 12:43       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-24 10:28         ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-25 18:29           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-26  9:14             ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-26 15:01               ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-27 18:21                 ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-30 19:22                   ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]                     ` <BANLkTimupSd774N-VBoswOj+Dza=5ofvWQ@mail.gmail.com>
2011-05-31 19:08                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-31 21:32                         ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2011-06-01 20:04                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-06-01  5:34                         ` Tejun Heo
2011-06-01 20:08                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-06-02  5:01                             ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-18 18:17   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-19 10:34     ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 18:17 ` [PATCH 04/10] ptrace: implement PTRACE_INTERRUPT Tejun Heo
2011-05-18 18:38   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-19 12:07     ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 16:21       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-16 18:17 ` [PATCH 05/10] ptrace: restructure ptrace_getsiginfo() Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 18:17 ` [PATCH 06/10] ptrace: add siginfo.si_pt_flags Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 18:17 ` [PATCH 07/10] ptrace: make group stop state visible via PTRACE_GETSIGINFO Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 16:27   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-19 16:40     ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 18:17 ` [PATCH 08/10] ptrace: don't let PTRACE_SETSIGINFO override __SI_TRAP siginfo Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 18:17 ` [PATCH 09/10] ptrace: add JOBCTL_BLOCK_NOTIFY Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 16:32   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-19 16:44     ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 16:48       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-19 16:58         ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-16 18:17 ` [PATCH 10/10] ptrace: implement group stop notification for ptracer Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 16:32   ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-19 16:57     ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 17:13       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-19 22:48         ` Denys Vlasenko
2011-05-20  8:59           ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-23 13:34             ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-20  8:46         ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 16:58     ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-23 11:45       ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-24 13:44         ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-24 15:44           ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-26 14:44           ` Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-28  7:32             ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-18 18:50 ` [PATCHSET ptrace] ptrace: implement PTRACE_SEIZE/INTERRUPT and group stop notification, take#2 Oleg Nesterov
2011-05-19 12:08   ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 15:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-05-19 15:19   ` Tejun Heo
2011-05-19 22:45   ` Denys Vlasenko

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