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From: "Carrillo, Erik G" <erik.g.carrillo@intel.com>
To: "Wiles, Keith" <keith.wiles@intel.com>
Cc: "rsanford@akamai.com" <rsanford@akamai.com>,
	"dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] *** timer library enhancements ***
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2017 19:28:23 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BE54F058557D9A4FAC1D84E2FC6D87570D52F407@fmsmsx115.amr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <28C555FD-9BAB-4A6D-BB9B-37BD42B750AD@intel.com>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wiles, Keith
> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 11:50 AM
> To: Carrillo, Erik G <erik.g.carrillo@intel.com>
> Cc: rsanford@akamai.com; dev@dpdk.org
> Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/3] *** timer library enhancements ***
> 
> 
> > On Aug 23, 2017, at 11:19 AM, Carrillo, Erik G <erik.g.carrillo@intel.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Wiles, Keith
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:02 AM
> >> To: Carrillo, Erik G <erik.g.carrillo@intel.com>
> >> Cc: rsanford@akamai.com; dev@dpdk.org
> >> Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/3] *** timer library enhancements
> >> ***
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Gabriel Carrillo
> >>> <erik.g.carrillo@intel.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> In the current implementation of the DPDK timer library, timers can
> >>> be created and set to be handled by a target lcore by adding it to a
> >>> skiplist that corresponds to that lcore.  However, if an application
> >>> enables multiple lcores, and each of these lcores repeatedly
> >>> attempts to install timers on the same target lcore, overall
> >>> application throughput will be reduced as all lcores contend to
> >>> acquire the lock guarding the single skiplist of pending timers.
> >>>
> >>> This patchset addresses this scenario by adding an array of
> >>> skiplists to each lcore's priv_timer struct, such that when lcore i
> >>> installs a timer on lcore k, the timer will be added to the ith
> >>> skiplist for lcore k.  If lcore j installs a timer on lcore k
> >>> simultaneously, lcores i and j can both proceed since they will be
> >>> acquiring different locks for different lists.
> >>>
> >>> When lcore k processes its pending timers, it will traverse each
> >>> skiplist in its array and acquire a skiplist's lock while a run list
> >>> is broken out; meanwhile, all other lists can continue to be modified.
> >>> Then, all run lists for lcore k are collected and traversed together
> >>> so timers are executed in their global order.
> >>
> >> What is the performance and/or latency added to the timeout now?
> >>
> >> I worry about the case when just about all of the cores are enabled,
> >> which could be as high was 128 or more now.
> >
> > There is a case in the timer_perf_autotest that runs rte_timer_manage
> with zero timers that can give a sense of the added latency.   When run with
> one lcore, it completes in around 25 cycles.  When run with 43 lcores (the
> highest I have access to at the moment), rte_timer_mange completes in
> around 155 cycles.  So it looks like each added lcore adds around 3 cycles of
> overhead for checking empty lists in my testing.
> 
> Does this mean we have only 25 cycles on the current design or is the 25
> cycles for the new design?
> 

Both - when run with one lcore, the new design becomes equivalent to the original one.  I tested the current design to confirm.

> If for the new design, then what is the old design cost compared to the new
> cost.
> 
> I also think we need the call to a timer function in the calculation, just to
> make sure we have at least one timer in the list and we account for any short
> cuts in the code for no timers active.
> 

Looking at the numbers for non-empty lists in timer_perf_autotest, the overhead appears to fall away.  Here are some representative runs for timer_perf_autotest:

43 lcores enabled, installing 1M timers on an lcore and processing them with current design:

<...snipped...>
Appending 1000000 timers
Time for 1000000 timers: 424066294 (193ms), Time per timer: 424 (0us)
Time for 1000000 callbacks: 73124504 (33ms), Time per callback: 73 (0us)
Resetting 1000000 timers
Time for 1000000 timers: 1406756396 (641ms), Time per timer: 1406 (1us)
<...snipped...>

43 lcores enabled, installing 1M timers on an lcore and processing them with proposed design:

<...snipped...>
Appending 1000000 timers
Time for 1000000 timers: 382912762 (174ms), Time per timer: 382 (0us)
Time for 1000000 callbacks: 79194418 (36ms), Time per callback: 79 (0us)
Resetting 1000000 timers
Time for 1000000 timers: 1427189116 (650ms), Time per timer: 1427 (1us)
<...snipped...>

The above are not averages, so the numbers don't really indicate which is faster, but they show that the overhead of the proposed design should not be appreciable.

> >
> >>
> >> One option is to have the lcore j that wants to install a timer on
> >> lcore k to pass a message via a ring to lcore k to add that timer. We
> >> could even add that logic into setting a timer on a different lcore
> >> then the caller in the current API. The ring would be a multi-producer and
> single consumer, we still have the lock.
> >> What am I missing here?
> >>
> >
> > I did try this approach: initially I had a multi-producer single-consumer ring
> that would hold requests to add or delete a timer from lcore k's skiplist, but it
> didn't really give an appreciable increase in my test application throughput.
> In profiling this solution, the hotspot had moved from acquiring the skiplist's
> spinlock to the rte_atomic32_cmpset that the multiple-producer ring code
> uses to manipulate the head pointer.
> >
> > Then, I tried multiple single-producer single-consumer rings per target
> lcore.  This removed the ring hotspot, but the performance didn't increase as
> much as with the proposed solution. These solutions also add overhead to
> rte_timer_manage, as it would have to process the rings and then process
> the skiplists.
> >
> > One other thing to note is that a solution that uses such messages changes
> the use models for the timer.  One interesting example is:
> > - lcore I enqueues a message to install a timer on lcore k
> > - lcore k runs rte_timer_manage, processes its messages and adds the
> > timer to its list
> > - lcore I then enqueues a message to stop the same timer, now owned by
> > lcore k
> > - lcore k does not run rte_timer_manage again
> > - lcore I wants to free the timer but it might not be safe
> 
> This case seems like a mistake to me as lcore k should continue to call
> rte_timer_manager() to process any new timers from other lcores not just
> the case where the list becomes empty and lcore k does not add timer to his
> list.
> 
> >
> > Even though lcore I has successfully enqueued the request to stop the
> timer (and delete it from lcore k's pending list), it hasn't actually been
> deleted from the list yet,  so freeing it could corrupt the list.  This case exists
> in the existing timer stress tests.
> >
> > Another interesting scenario is:
> > - lcore I resets a timer to install it on lcore k
> > - lcore j resets the same timer to install it on lcore k
> > - then, lcore k runs timer_manage
> 
> This one also seems like a mistake, more then one lcore setting the same
> timer seems like a problem and should not be done. A lcore should own a
> timer and no other lcore should be able to change that timer. If multiple
> lcores need a timer then they should not share the same timer structure.
> 

Both of the above cases exist in the timer library stress tests, so a solution would presumably need to address them or it would be less flexible.  The original design passed these tests, as does the proposed one.

> >
> > Lcore j's message obviates lcore i's message, and it would be wasted work
> for lcore k to process it, so we should mark it to be skipped over.   Handling all
> the edge cases was more complex than the solution proposed.
> 
> Hmmm, to me it seems simple here as long as the lcores follow the same
> rules and sharing a timer structure is very risky and avoidable IMO.
> 
> Once you have lcores adding timers to another lcore then all accesses to that
> skip list must be serialized or you get unpredictable results. This should also
> fix most of the edge cases you are talking about.
> 
> Also it seems to me the case with an lcore adding timers to another lcore
> timer list is a specific use case and could be handled by a different set of APIs
> for that specific use case. Then we do not need to change the current design
> and all of the overhead is placed on the new APIs/design. IMO we are
> turning the current timer design into a global timer design as it really is a per
> lcore design today and I beleive that is a mistake.
> 

Well, the original API explicitly supports installing a timer to be executed on a different lcore, and there are no API changes in the patchset.  Also, the proposed design keeps the per-lcore design intact;  it only takes what used to be one large skiplist that held timers for all installing lcores, and separates it into N skiplists that correspond 1:1 to an installing lcore.  When an lcore processes timers on its lists it will still only be managing timers it owns, and no others.  

> >
> >>>
> >>> Gabriel Carrillo (3):
> >>> timer: add per-installer pending lists for each lcore
> >>> timer: handle timers installed from non-EAL threads
> >>> doc: update timer lib docs
> >>>
> >>> doc/guides/prog_guide/timer_lib.rst |  19 ++-
> >>> lib/librte_timer/rte_timer.c        | 329 +++++++++++++++++++++++------
> ---
> >> ----
> >>> lib/librte_timer/rte_timer.h        |   9 +-
> >>> 3 files changed, 231 insertions(+), 126 deletions(-)
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> 2.6.4
> >>>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Keith
> 
> Regards,
> Keith

  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-23 19:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-23 14:47 Gabriel Carrillo
2017-08-23 14:47 ` [PATCH 1/3] timer: add per-installer pending lists for each lcore Gabriel Carrillo
2017-08-25 20:27   ` [PATCH v2 " Gabriel Carrillo
2017-08-29 10:57     ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-08-29 16:13       ` Carrillo, Erik G
2017-08-29 15:11   ` [PATCH " Stephen Hemminger
2017-08-23 14:47 ` [PATCH 2/3] timer: handle timers installed from non-EAL threads Gabriel Carrillo
2017-08-25 20:27   ` [PATCH v2 " Gabriel Carrillo
2017-08-23 14:47 ` [PATCH 3/3] doc: update timer lib docs Gabriel Carrillo
2017-08-25 20:27   ` [PATCH v2 " Gabriel Carrillo
2017-08-23 15:02 ` [PATCH 0/3] *** timer library enhancements *** Wiles, Keith
2017-08-23 16:19   ` Carrillo, Erik G
2017-08-23 16:50     ` Wiles, Keith
2017-08-23 19:28       ` Carrillo, Erik G [this message]
2017-08-23 21:04         ` Wiles, Keith
2017-08-24 14:08           ` Carrillo, Erik G
2017-08-25 20:26 ` [PATCH v2 " Gabriel Carrillo
2017-09-13 22:05   ` [PATCH v3 0/3] timer library enhancement Erik Gabriel Carrillo
2017-09-13 22:05     ` [PATCH v3 1/3] timer: add multiple pending lists option for each lcore Erik Gabriel Carrillo
2017-09-13 22:05     ` [PATCH v3 2/3] timer: handle timers installed from non-EAL threads Erik Gabriel Carrillo
2017-09-13 22:05     ` [PATCH v3 3/3] doc: update timer lib docs Erik Gabriel Carrillo
2017-09-18 16:19       ` Mcnamara, John
2017-09-19 17:04         ` Carrillo, Erik G
2017-09-19 17:02     ` [PATCH v4 0/3] timer library enhancement Erik Gabriel Carrillo
2017-09-19 17:02       ` [PATCH v4 1/3] timer: add multiple pending lists option for each lcore Erik Gabriel Carrillo
2017-09-19 17:02       ` [PATCH v4 2/3] timer: handle timers installed from non-EAL threads Erik Gabriel Carrillo
2017-09-19 17:02       ` [PATCH v4 3/3] doc: update timer lib docs Erik Gabriel Carrillo
2017-10-11 20:42       ` [PATCH v4 0/3] timer library enhancement Thomas Monjalon
2018-04-04 22:42         ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-04-05 21:53           ` Carrillo, Erik G

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