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From: "Fu, Rodney" <rfu@panasas.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: "hch@lst.de" <hch@lst.de>,
	"viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: Provision for filesystem specific open flags
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 15:16:17 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BN3PR0801MB2257249A7388086676CBA811AB2B0@BN3PR0801MB2257.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171111003721.GA9546@bombadil.infradead.org>

> > > No.  If you want new flags bits, make a public proposal.  Maybe some 
> > > other filesystem would also benefit from them.
> > 
> > Ah, I see what you mean now, thanks.
> > 
> > I would like to propose O_CONCURRENT_WRITE as a new open flag.  It is 
> > currently used in the Panasas filesystem (panfs) and defined with value:
> > 
> > #define O_CONCURRENT_WRITE 020000000000
> > 
> > This flag has been provided by panfs to HPC users via the mpich 
> > package for well over a decade.  See:
> > 
> > https://github.com/pmodels/mpich/blob/master/src/mpi/romio/adio/ad_pan
> > fs/ad_panfs_open6.c#L344
> > 
> > O_CONCURRENT_WRITE indicates to the filesystem that the application 
> > doing the open is participating in a coordinated distributed manner 
> > with other such applications, possibly running on different hosts.  
> > This allows the panfs filesystem to delegate some of the cache 
> > coherency responsibilities to the application, improving performance.
> > 
> > The reason this flag is used on open as opposed to having a post-open 
> > ioctl or fcntl SETFL is to allow panfs to catch and reject opens by 
> > applications that attempt to access files that have already been 
> > opened by applications that have set O_CONCURRENT_WRITE.

> OK, let me just check I understand.  Once any application has opened the inode
> with O_CONCURRENT_WRITE, all subsequent attempts to open the same inode without
> O_CONCURRENT_WRITE will fail.  Presumably also if somebody already has the inode
> open without O_CONCURRENT_WRITE set, the first open with O_CONCURRENT_WRITE will
> fail?

Yes on both counts.  Opening with O_CONCURRENT_WRITE, followed by an open
without will fail.  Opening without O_CONCURRENT_WRITE followed by one with it
will also fail.

> Are opens with O_RDONLY also blocked?

No they are not.  The decision to grant access is based solely on the
O_CONCURRENT_WRITE flag.

> This feels a lot like leases ... maybe there's an opportunity to give better
> semantics here -- rather than rejecting opens without O_CONCURRENT_WRITE, all
> existing users could be forced to use the stricter coherency model?

I don't think that will work, at least not from the perspective of trying to
maintain good performance.  A user that does not open with O_CONCURRENT_WRITE
does not know how to adhere to the proper access patterns that maintain
coherency.  To continue to allow all users access after that point, the
filesystem will have to force all users into a non-cacheable mode.  Instead, we
reject stray opens to allow any existing CONCURRENT_WRITE application to
complete in a higher performance mode.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-11-13 15:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-10 16:49 Provision for filesystem specific open flags Fu, Rodney
2017-11-10 17:23 ` hch
2017-11-10 17:39   ` Fu, Rodney
2017-11-10 19:29     ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-11-10 21:04       ` Fu, Rodney
2017-11-11  0:37         ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-11-13 15:16           ` Fu, Rodney [this message]
2017-11-20 13:38             ` Jeff Layton
2017-11-13  0:48         ` Dave Chinner
2017-11-13 17:02           ` Fu, Rodney
2017-11-13 21:58             ` Dave Chinner
2017-11-14 17:35               ` Fu, Rodney
2017-11-20 13:53                 ` Jeff Layton
2017-11-20 13:53                   ` Jeff Layton
2017-12-04  5:29                 ` NeilBrown
2017-12-05 21:36                   ` Andreas Dilger
2017-11-13 17:45         ` Bernd Schubert
2017-11-13 20:19           ` Fu, Rodney
2017-11-20 14:03             ` Florian Weimer
2017-11-20 14:03               ` Florian Weimer

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