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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>,
	linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [tip:locking/core] locking/atomics: Simplify the op definitions in atomic.h some more
Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 11:52:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFxjU0op8QLLu0n-RjHBs7gQsLvD8jcyedgw6jeZFN7B+Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180515181510.GM12235@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 11:15 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
wrote:

> Alternatively we could use 'p' for the argument pointer thing.

Probably better than having i/I.

But while people are bikeshedding the important stuff, can I please mention
my personal pet peeve with generated code?

If we go down this "generate header files" path, and ever expand to
actually generating some of the definitions too, can we *please* try to
follow three rules:

  (a) make the generated header file not just say "this is generated", but
say exactly *what* generates it, so that when you look at it, you don't
have to search for the generator?

  (b) if at all possible, please aim to make "git grep" find the stuff that
is generated?

  (c) if b is not possible, then generate '#line' things in the generator so
that debug information points back to the original source?

That (b) in particular can be a major pain, because "git grep" will
obviously only look at the _source_ files (including the script that
generates thing), but not at the generated file at all.

But when you see a stack trace or oops or something that mentions some
function that you're not intimately familiar with, the first thing I do is
basically some variation of

     git grep function_name

or similar. Maybe it's just me, but I actually really like how fast "git
grep" is with threading and everything to just go the extra mile.

And what often happens with generated functions is that you can't actually
find them with git grep, because the generator will generate the function
names in two or more parts (ie in this case, for example, "cmpxchg_relaxed"
would never show up, becuase it's the "relaxed" version of cmpxchg.

So (b) will likely not work out, but at least try very hard to do (a) and
(c) when (b) fails. So that when people do stack traces, if they have the
debug information, at least it will point to the actual implementation in
the generator.

(NOTE! I realize that right now you're just talking about generating the
header file itself, with only declarations, not definitions. So the above
is not an issue. Yet. I'm just waiting for people to generate some of the
code too, and being proactive)_.

Hmm?

                 Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-15 18:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-04 17:39 [PATCH 0/6] arm64: add instrumented atomics Mark Rutland
2018-05-04 17:39 ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-04 17:39 ` [PATCH 1/6] locking/atomic, asm-generic: instrument ordering variants Mark Rutland
2018-05-04 17:39   ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-04 18:01   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-04 18:01     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-04 18:09     ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-04 18:09       ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-04 18:24       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-04 18:24         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-05  9:12         ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-05  9:12           ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-05  8:11       ` [PATCH] locking/atomics: Clean up the atomic.h maze of #defines Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05  8:11         ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05  8:36         ` [PATCH] locking/atomics: Simplify the op definitions in atomic.h some more Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05  8:36           ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05  8:54           ` [PATCH] locking/atomics: Combine the atomic_andnot() and atomic64_andnot() API definitions Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05  8:54             ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-06 12:15             ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2018-05-06 14:15             ` [PATCH] " Andrea Parri
2018-05-06 14:15               ` Andrea Parri
2018-05-06 12:14           ` [tip:locking/core] locking/atomics: Simplify the op definitions in atomic.h some more tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2018-05-09  7:33             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-09 13:03               ` Will Deacon
2018-05-15  8:54                 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-15  8:35               ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-15 11:41                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-15 12:13                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-15 15:43                   ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-15 17:10                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-15 17:53                       ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-15 18:11                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-15 18:15                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-15 18:52                             ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2018-05-15 19:39                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-21 17:12                           ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-06 14:12           ` [PATCH] " Andrea Parri
2018-05-06 14:12             ` Andrea Parri
2018-05-06 14:57             ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-06 14:57               ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-07  9:54               ` Andrea Parri
2018-05-07  9:54                 ` Andrea Parri
2018-05-18 18:43               ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-05-18 18:43                 ` Palmer Dabbelt
2018-05-05  8:47         ` [PATCH] locking/atomics: Clean up the atomic.h maze of #defines Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-05  8:47           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-05  9:04           ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05  9:04             ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05  9:24             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-05  9:24               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-05  9:38             ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05  9:38               ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05 10:00               ` [RFC PATCH] locking/atomics/powerpc: Introduce optimized cmpxchg_release() family of APIs for PowerPC Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05 10:00                 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05 10:26                 ` Boqun Feng
2018-05-05 10:26                   ` Boqun Feng
2018-05-06  1:56                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-05-06  1:56                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-05-05 10:16               ` [PATCH] locking/atomics: Clean up the atomic.h maze of #defines Boqun Feng
2018-05-05 10:16                 ` Boqun Feng
2018-05-05 10:35                 ` [RFC PATCH] locking/atomics/powerpc: Clarify why the cmpxchg_relaxed() family of APIs falls back to full cmpxchg() Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05 10:35                   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05 11:28                   ` Boqun Feng
2018-05-05 11:28                     ` Boqun Feng
2018-05-05 13:27                     ` [PATCH] locking/atomics/powerpc: Move cmpxchg helpers to asm/cmpxchg.h and define the full set of cmpxchg APIs Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05 13:27                       ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05 14:03                       ` Boqun Feng
2018-05-05 14:03                         ` Boqun Feng
2018-05-06 12:11                         ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-06 12:11                           ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-07  1:04                           ` Boqun Feng
2018-05-07  1:04                             ` Boqun Feng
2018-05-07  6:50                             ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-07  6:50                               ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-06 12:13                     ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Boqun Feng
2018-05-07 13:31                       ` [PATCH v2] " Boqun Feng
2018-05-07 13:31                         ` Boqun Feng
2018-05-05  9:05           ` [PATCH] locking/atomics: Clean up the atomic.h maze of #defines Dmitry Vyukov
2018-05-05  9:05             ` Dmitry Vyukov
2018-05-05  9:32             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-05  9:32               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-07  6:43               ` [RFC PATCH] locking/atomics/x86/64: Clean up and fix details of <asm/atomic64_64.h> Ingo Molnar
2018-05-07  6:43                 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05  9:09           ` [PATCH] locking/atomics: Clean up the atomic.h maze of #defines Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05  9:09             ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05  9:29             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-05  9:29               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-05 10:48               ` [PATCH] locking/atomics: Shorten the __atomic_op() defines to __op() Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05 10:48                 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05 10:59                 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-05 10:59                   ` Ingo Molnar
2018-05-06 12:15                 ` [tip:locking/core] " tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2018-05-06 12:14         ` [tip:locking/core] locking/atomics: Clean up the atomic.h maze of #defines tip-bot for Ingo Molnar
2018-05-04 17:39 ` [PATCH 2/6] locking/atomic, asm-generic: instrument atomic*andnot*() Mark Rutland
2018-05-04 17:39   ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-04 17:39 ` [PATCH 3/6] arm64: use <linux/atomic.h> for cmpxchg Mark Rutland
2018-05-04 17:39   ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-04 17:39 ` [PATCH 4/6] arm64: fix assembly constraints " Mark Rutland
2018-05-04 17:39   ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-04 17:39 ` [PATCH 5/6] arm64: use instrumented atomics Mark Rutland
2018-05-04 17:39   ` Mark Rutland
2018-05-04 17:39 ` [PATCH 6/6] arm64: instrument smp_{load_acquire,store_release} Mark Rutland
2018-05-04 17:39   ` Mark Rutland

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