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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@gmail.com>,
	security@kernel.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-team <kernel-team@fb.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/7] RCU, workqueue: Implement rcu_work
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 10:30:29 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFxnCAufp2e0uk55YYDgYcJAoJ+T+Ju7bWsneYo0eHHBeQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180306173316.3088458-7-tj@kernel.org>

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 9:33 AM, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> This patch introduces rcu_work, a workqueue work variant which gets
> executed after a RCU grace period, and converts the open coded
> bouncing in fs/aio and kernel/cgroup.

So I like the concept, but I have two comments:

 - can we split this patch up, so that if somebody bisects a problem
to it, we'll see if it's cgroup or aio that triggers it?

 - this feels wrong:

> +struct rcu_work {
> +       struct work_struct work;
> +       struct rcu_head rcu;
> +
> +       /* target workqueue and CPU ->rcu uses to queue ->work */
> +       struct workqueue_struct *wq;
> +       int cpu;
> +};

That "int cpu" really doesn't feel like it makes sense for an
rcu_work. The rcu_call() part fundamentally will happen on any CPU,
and sure, it could then schedule the work on something else, but that
doesn't sound like a particularly sound interface.

So I'd like to either just make the thing always just use
WORK_CPU_UNBOUND, or hear some kind of (handwaving ok) explanation for
why something else would ever make sense. If the action is
fundamentally delayed by RCU, why would it make a difference which CPU
it runs on?

One reason for that is that I get this feeling that the multiple
stages of waiting *might* be unnecessary. Are there no situations
where a "rcu_work" might just end up devolving to be just a regular
work? Or maybe situations where the rcu callback is done in process
context, and the work can just be done immediately? I'm a tiny bit
worried about queueing artifacts, where we end up having tons of
resources in flight.

But this really is just a "this feels wrong". I have no real hard
technical reason.

                Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-06 18:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-06 17:26 [PATCHSET] percpu_ref, RCU: Audit RCU usages in percpu_ref users Tejun Heo
2018-03-06 17:33 ` [PATCH 1/7] fs/aio: Add explicit RCU grace period when freeing kioctx Tejun Heo
2018-03-06 17:33   ` [PATCH 2/7] fs/aio: Use RCU accessors for kioctx_table->table[] Tejun Heo
2018-03-06 17:33   ` [PATCH 3/7] RDMAVT: Fix synchronization around percpu_ref Tejun Heo
2018-03-07 15:39     ` Dennis Dalessandro
2018-03-06 17:33   ` [PATCH 4/7] HMM: Remove superflous RCU protection around radix tree lookup Tejun Heo
2018-03-06 17:33     ` Tejun Heo
2018-03-06 17:59     ` Jerome Glisse
2018-03-06 17:59       ` Jerome Glisse
2018-03-06 17:33   ` [PATCH 5/7] block: Remove superflous rcu_read_[un]lock_sched() in blk_queue_enter() Tejun Heo
2018-03-06 17:52     ` Bart Van Assche
2018-03-14 18:46       ` tj
2018-03-14 20:05         ` Bart Van Assche
2018-03-14 20:08           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-14 20:14             ` Bart Van Assche
2018-03-06 17:33   ` [PATCH 6/7] percpu_ref: Update doc to dissuade users from depending on internal RCU grace periods Tejun Heo
2018-03-06 17:33   ` [PATCH 7/7] RCU, workqueue: Implement rcu_work Tejun Heo
2018-03-06 18:30     ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2018-03-09 15:37       ` Tejun Heo
2018-03-07  2:49     ` Lai Jiangshan
2018-03-07 14:54       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-03-07 16:23         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-07 17:58           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-03-08  0:29         ` Lai Jiangshan
2018-03-08 17:28           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-03-09 16:21           ` Tejun Heo

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