From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751445Ab3GQEsn (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 00:48:43 -0400 Received: from mail-vc0-f177.google.com ([209.85.220.177]:53597 "EHLO mail-vc0-f177.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750969Ab3GQEsl (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 00:48:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1374031004.2537.84.camel@deadeye.wl.decadent.org.uk> References: <20130715195316.GF15531@xanatos> <20130715204135.GH15531@xanatos> <1373926109.17876.221.camel@gandalf.local.home> <20130715223615.GI15531@xanatos> <20130716211235.GG4994@xanatos> <20130716212704.GB9371@thunk.org> <20130716224357.GK4994@xanatos> <20130716235008.GC9371@thunk.org> <1374027494.2537.47.camel@deadeye.wl.decadent.org.uk> <1374031004.2537.84.camel@deadeye.wl.decadent.org.uk> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 21:48:40 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: zK7ozurxcNmbnXL87tu25BKC7Os Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] [ATTEND] How to act on LKML (was: [ 00/19] 3.10.1-stable review) From: Linus Torvalds To: Ben Hutchings Cc: "Theodore Ts'o" , Sarah Sharp , David Lang , ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Greg Kroah-Hartman , Darren Hart , Ingo Molnar , Olivier Galibert , stable , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Willy Tarreau Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Tue, 2013-07-16 at 20:02 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: >> >> Umm. Notice how the "Joseph" I replied to had deleted all the comments he wrote? > > Sorry, that completely escaped me. > >> That should tell you something. I smacked down a troll. >> >> If I was polite to you all those years ago, and I was polite but firm >> in the two first responses, please give me credit for when I smack >> somebody down. There may be a reason for it. The fact that the person >> deleted his messages (or github deleted them for him - I have no idea >> what their comment policy is) and you cannot see that context any more >> online should not make you think that I suddenly went crazy. > > Unfortunately, it seems I'm not the only one to be confused by this. Heh. I think this one is a pretty extreme example (because the context simply is no longer *there*), but the fact is, it's not uncommon. People think I get all the credit (and hey, I do), but here's a somewhat darker side to the story too. I get a lot of grief too, and usually from people who don't have the context. In the blog you posted, it was because the context simply wasn't there any more, but let's be honest: even when the context is there, how many people read it? It's a cesspool out there (*cough*slashdot*cough*). And hey, I think Sarah's outburst itself was due to a similar "I know Linus curses at people, and who cares about context, it's never acceptable". Because I guarantee that it was *not* because of the actual email she replied to, or anything I've written her. Feel free to go back and check. I'm really not complaining. It's part of my job, and I'm quite used to it. This is not new. Certain people and places love to hate on Linus, the egotistical ass. And hey, on the whole I can honestly say that I'm *way* ahead. They aren't exactly wrong - it's not like I have a weak ego. I get most annoyed when people say it's "new" and due to the success of Linux. Dammit, I had a strong ego when I started this whole thing, so don't try to chalk it all up to success. Guys, I love my job. The kernel developer community is great. But I suspect that some of you don't necessarily think about the other side. I had slashdot discussing my abusive relationship with my wife and kids thanks to Sarah's comments. Talk about having a thick skin - trust me when I tell you that I get as well as I give out. Linus