From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-path: Received: from mail-ey0-f174.google.com ([209.85.215.174]:51264 "EHLO mail-ey0-f174.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753089Ab1IPQsw (ORCPT ); Fri, 16 Sep 2011 12:48:52 -0400 Received: by eya28 with SMTP id 28so925480eya.19 for ; Fri, 16 Sep 2011 09:48:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1316177890.4130.27.camel@jlt3.sipsolutions.net> References: <1316082334-7664-1-git-send-email-arik@wizery.com> <1316177890.4130.27.camel@jlt3.sipsolutions.net> From: Arik Nemtsov Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 19:48:34 +0300 Message-ID: (sfid-20110916_184855_481070_C6461A0E) Subject: Re: [RFC 0/5] TDLS support for nl80211/mac80211 drivers To: Johannes Berg Cc: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, Kalyan C Gaddam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: linux-wireless-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 15:58, Johannes Berg wrote: > On Thu, 2011-09-15 at 13:25 +0300, Arik Nemtsov wrote: >> This series adds basic kernel-mode TDLS support for nl80211 based drivers. >> It is based in part on patches by Kalyan C. Gaddam, cc-ed here. > > I'm not convinced of the design. I don't see anything in the setup > frames that will require creating them in the kernel. If they are data > frames, the supplicant can create them and send them as such, if they > are public action frames we have nl80211 API for that. We had some qualms about the design ourselves. This is a question Kalyan sent to the hostap list a while back - http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2011-June/023311.html The locking requirement (elaborated at the end of the email) was also part of the decision to make mac80211 more aware of the connection state. Also, eventually mac80211 will have to add some IEs of it's own to the setup packets. > >> Support is added for peer discovery and data path setup/teardown. More >> advanced features are not implemented. These include QoS/HT, peer PSM, >> peer U-APSD and channel switching. > > That will certainly require kernel help, but I don't think it requires > that the setup frames be created in mac80211. wpa_supplicant needs to add some IEs to the packet (RSN, FTIE, ..). mac80211 will also have to add some IEs (U-APSD, HT, ...) Does it really matter if the packet's headers are created by usermode or by kernel? Even if we change the "owner" of the packet, the API would still remain about the same. tdls_mgmt would simply get the frame instead of extra IEs. Jouni's original wpa_s TDLS code was written for a full-mac driver where the kernel/firmware side created the packet. wpa_supplicant only provided auth IEs. Keeping it this way also avoids refactoring the code and introducing bugs. > >> Notably, this patch-set does not include locking in the data path, >> to switch between AP-based and direct Tx during link setup/tear-down. >> This will be added by a later patch-set, if/when this series is >> accepted. In practice it seems to work quite well without additional >> locking. > > That ought to work without locks if you create/destroy the station > entries appropriately? I should elaborate on the locking requirement. The TDLS link setup is made up 3 frames - a setup request, followed by a response from the peer, and finally a confirm. This is an excerpt from the spec: "To avoid possible reordering of MSDUs, a TDLS initiator STA shall cease transmitting MSDUs to the TDLS responder STA through the AP after sending a TDLS Setup Request frame, and a TDLS responder STA shall cease transmitting MSDUs to the TDLS initiator STA through the AP after sending a TDLS Setup Response frame indicating status code 0 (Success)." This requires a locking mechanism similar to AP-mode buffering for stations in PS (since we probably don't want to stop all queues). Arik