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From: Luke Gorrie <luke@snabb.co>
To: "snabb-devel@googlegroups.com" <snabb-devel@googlegroups.com>
Cc: "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	VirtualOpenSystems Technical Team <tech@virtualopensystems.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [snabb-devel] Re: memory barriers in virtq.lua?
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 16:22:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAA2XHbcU0tV0NrBXT6oh6LOz7sKm9P8jqD1=T-ZgTahSVM_qwQ__10662.5897264623$1428425992$gmane$org@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADDJ2=M6hwFwooXqUjUc9+JxjW1sVYvKhY9dBavrmMUrej6Ysw@mail.gmail.com>


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Hi Michael,

I'm writing to follow up the previous discussion about memory barriers in
virtio-net device implementations, and Cc'ing the DPDK list because I
believe this is relevant to them too.

First, thanks again for getting in touch and reviewing our code.

I have now found a missed case where we *do* require a hardware memory
barrier on x86 in our vhost/virtio-net device. That is when checking the
interrupt suppression flag after updating used->idx. This is needed because
x86 can reorder the write to used->idx after the read from avail->flags,
and that causes the guest to see a stale value of used->idx after it
toggles interrupt suppression.

If I may spell out my mental model, for the sake of being corrected and/or
as an example of how third party developers are reading and interpreting
the Virtio-net spec:

Relating this to Virtio 1.0, the most relevant section is 3.2.1 (Supplying
Buffers to the Device) which calls for two "suitable memory barriers". The
spec talks about these from the driver perspective, but they are both
relevant to the device side too.

The first barrier (write to descriptor table before write to used->idx) is
implicit on x86 because writes by the same core are not reordered. This
means that no explicit hardware barrier is needed. (A compiler barrier may
be needed, however.)

The second memory barrier (write to used->idx before reading avail->flags)
is not implicit on x86 because stores are reordered after loads. So an
explicit hardware memory barrier is needed.

I hope that is a correct assessment of the situation. (Forgive my
x86centricity, I am sure that seems very foreign to kernel hackers.)

If this assessment is correct then the DPDK developers might also want to
review librte_vhost/vhost_rxtx.c and consider adding a hardware memory
barrier between writing used->idx and reading avail->flags.

Cheers,
-Luke

P.S. I notice that the Linux virtio-net driver does not seem to tolerate
spurious interrupts, even though the Virtio 1.0 spec requires this
("must"). On 3.13.11-ckt15 I see them trigger an "irq nobody cared" kernel
log message and then the irq is disabled. If that sounds suspicious I can
supply more information.

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      parent reply	other threads:[~2015-04-07 14:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-27 16:01 memory barriers in virtq.lua? Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-01-28 10:27 ` Nikolay Nikolaev
     [not found] ` <CADDJ2=M6hwFwooXqUjUc9+JxjW1sVYvKhY9dBavrmMUrej6Ysw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]   ` <CADDJ2=M6hwFwooXqUjUc9+JxjW1sVYvKhY9dBavrmMUrej6Ysw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-07 14:22     ` [snabb-devel] " Luke Gorrie
2015-04-07 15:30       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]       ` <CAA2XHbcU0tV0NrBXT6oh6LOz7sKm9P8jqD1=T-ZgTahSVM_qwQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-07 15:30         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]           ` <20150407172849-mutt-send-email-mst-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-08  3:40             ` Luke Gorrie
2015-04-08  3:40           ` Luke Gorrie
2015-04-08 15:15       ` [dpdk-dev] " Xie, Huawei
2015-04-08 15:15       ` [dpdk-dev] " Xie, Huawei
2015-04-09  3:12         ` [dpdk-dev] [snabb-devel] " Luke Gorrie
2015-04-09  3:12         ` [dpdk-dev] " Luke Gorrie
2015-04-09 15:00           ` [dpdk-dev] [snabb-devel] " Xie, Huawei
     [not found]           ` <CAA2XHbdNAB1ZsBFYHW7W1yhnkzaSixwKk4KvjU8G=7OLECpZhQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-04-09 15:00             ` Xie, Huawei
2015-04-07 14:22   ` Luke Gorrie [this message]

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