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From: Trond Myklebust <trondmy@gmail.com>
To: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Cc: Jeff Layton <jeff.layton@primarydata.com>,
	Steve Dickson <steved@redhat.com>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 5/7] nfsdcltrack: update schema to v2
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 11:54:17 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAABAsM7JoG1tQuyOZ1uU66jz9RKCoung8jdP1LXuDbExfqqWKg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140912152142.GB28915@fieldses.org>

On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 11:21 AM, J. Bruce Fields <bfields@fieldses.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 10:36:21AM -0400, J. Bruce Fields wrote:
>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 10:21:53AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote:
>> > Grace period
>> > eventually ends, and its record is purged from the DB.
>> >
>> > Now we have a client that has reclaimed some files but that has no
>> > record on stable storage.
>> >
>> > One possibility is to prematurely expire v4.1+ clients that have not
>> > sent a RECLAIM_COMPLETE when the grace period ends.
>> >
>> > That seems problematic though -- what about clients that just happen to
>> > do an EXCHANGE_ID just before the grace period is going to end, and
>> > that get expired before they can issue their RECLAIM_COMPLETE. Will
>> > that be a problem for them?
>>
>> In that case a client will send a reclaim, get back a NO_GRACE error,
>> mark the rest of its state as unrecoverable, send the RECLAIM_COMPLETE,
>> and continue normally.  (To the extent it can--signalling affected
>> processes or EIOing further attempts to use the unreclaimed state, or
>> whatever.)
>
> The one thing the server *could* do in this sort of case is extend the
> grace period by a little--I seem to recall the spec giving some leeway
> for this kind of thing.


Section 8.4.2.1.

> So for example the server could have a heuristics like: extend the grace
> period by another second each time we notice there's been an EXCHANGE_ID
> or reclaim in the previous second, up to some maximum.  And I suppose it
> could also delay the grace period until someone actually attempts a
> non-reclaim open.
>
> In isolation a single client slipping in the end like that sounds like a
> freak event, but if there's a ton of state to reclaim perhaps it could
> become more likely.
>
> I don't think that's a priority, we might just want to make sure we know
> how to do that in the future.
>
> But now that I think about it I don't see the existing or proposed
> nfsdcltrack stuff tying our hands in any way here.  It just gives the
> kernel some extra information, and the kernel still has discretion about
> when exactly it wants to end the grace period.
>

It is even allowed to grant reclaim lock attempts after the grace
period has ended _if_ and only if it can guarantee that no conflicting
locks were issued.

However note that the NFSv4.1 client is not actually allowed to issue
non-reclaim lock requests before it has issued a RECLAIM_COMPLETE. I
dunno how religiously we stick to that in Linux (I think we do), but
the point is that the server can and should rely on the client
_always_ sending a RECLAIM_COMPLETE if it is going to establish new
locks.

  reply	other threads:[~2014-09-12 15:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-08 16:30 [PATCH v3 0/7] nfs-utils: support for lifting grace period early Jeff Layton
2014-09-08 16:30 ` [PATCH v3 1/7] sm-notify: inform the kernel if there were no hosts to notify Jeff Layton
2014-09-08 16:30 ` [PATCH v3 2/7] nfsdcltrack: update comments in sqlite.c Jeff Layton
2014-09-11 15:53   ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-09-08 16:30 ` [PATCH v3 3/7] nfsdcltrack: rename CLD_* constants with CLTRACK_* prefixes Jeff Layton
2014-09-08 16:30 ` [PATCH v3 4/7] nfsdcltrack: overhaul database initializtion Jeff Layton
2014-09-08 16:30 ` [PATCH v3 5/7] nfsdcltrack: update schema to v2 Jeff Layton
2014-09-11 19:55   ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-09-11 20:28     ` Jeff Layton
2014-09-12 13:36       ` Jeff Layton
2014-09-12 14:21         ` Jeff Layton
2014-09-12 14:36           ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-09-12 15:21             ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-09-12 15:54               ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2014-09-12 16:05                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2014-09-12 16:07                 ` Jeff Layton
2014-09-12 16:29                   ` Trond Myklebust
2014-09-12 16:33                     ` Jeff Layton
2014-09-12 15:42           ` Trond Myklebust
2014-09-08 16:30 ` [PATCH v3 6/7] nfsdcltrack: grab the NFSDCLTRACK_RECLAIM_COMPLETE env var if it's present Jeff Layton
2014-09-08 16:30 ` [PATCH v3 7/7] nfsdcltrack: fetch NFSDCLTRACK_GRACE_START out of environment Jeff Layton

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