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From: Dionna Amalie Glaze <dionnaglaze@google.com>
To: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	 Marc Orr <marcorr@google.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
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	 "Yao, Jiewen" <jiewen.yao@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv7 00/14] mm, x86/cc: Implement support for unaccepted memory
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 14:09:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAH4kHYhK=4+bz2oQZTzJg=WNkce6BY8Wcw=yf0_Yy+U+-kcBQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220809115427.bmkbap434oupinq2@box.shutemov.name>

> > > > EFI is basically our existing embodiment of this fw/kernel negotiation
> > > > thing, and iff we need it, I have no objection to using it for this
> > > > purpose, i.e., to allow the firmware to infer whether or not it should
> > > > accept all available memory on behalf of the OS before exiting boot
> > > > services. But if we don't need this, even better.
> > >
> > > FW/kernel negotiation does not work if there's a boot loader in the middle
> > > that does ExitBootServices(). By the time kernel can announce if it
> > > supports unaccepted memory there's nobody to announce to.
> > >
> >
> > Why would you want to support such bootloaders for TDX anyway? TDX
> > heavily relies on measured boot abstractions and other things that are
> > heavily tied to firmware.
>
> I don't understand it either. And, yet, there's demand for it.
>

I think there's no good solution for this bad upgrade path that the
UEFI spec stuck us with, so I think I'm going to stick to what many
folks have suggested: just have the host require external information.
What this means is that at VM creation time, the user has to specify
an extra flag that all memory has to be accepted in firmware before
booting the guest OS. Failure to provide the flag leads to the
unfortunate outcome that the VM only has access to the lower 4GB of
RAM. We can only hope that the VM OOMs shortly after they start up the
machine and the user reads an FAQ that they should add this flag.

I'll do a round of appeals to distributions to include this patch set
and AMD's follow-up that defines accept_memory for SEV-SNP to reduce
the time that people need to know about this flag.

-- 
-Dionna Glaze, PhD (she/her)

  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-09 21:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 207+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-14 12:02 [PATCHv7 00/14] mm, x86/cc: Implement support for unaccepted memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 01/14] x86/boot: Centralize __pa()/__va() definitions Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-23 17:37   ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 02/14] mm: Add support for unaccepted memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-14 12:57   ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-06-17 19:28   ` Tom Lendacky
2022-06-17 20:53     ` Tom Lendacky
2022-07-21 15:14   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-21 15:49     ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-22 19:18       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-22 19:30         ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-25 12:23           ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-25 12:38             ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-25 12:53               ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-26 14:30                 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-25 13:00             ` Mike Rapoport
2022-07-25 13:05               ` Borislav Petkov
2022-08-05 11:49   ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-08-05 12:09     ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-05 13:38       ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-08-05 14:22         ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-05 14:53           ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-05 14:41         ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-05 18:17           ` Vlastimil Babka
2022-08-08 15:55             ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-10 14:19     ` Mel Gorman
2022-08-15 21:08       ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-08-15 22:02         ` Tom Lendacky
2022-08-29 16:02           ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-08-29 16:19             ` Dave Hansen
2022-09-06 17:50               ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-09-08 12:11                 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-09-08 16:23                   ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-09-08 19:28                     ` Mike Rapoport
2022-09-22 14:31                       ` Tom Lendacky
2022-09-24  1:03                         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-09-24  9:36                           ` Mike Rapoport
2022-09-26 12:10                           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-09-26 13:38                             ` Tom Lendacky
2022-09-26 15:42                               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-09-26 15:42                               ` Tom Lendacky
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 03/14] mm: Report unaccepted memory in meminfo Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-26 14:33   ` David Hildenbrand
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 04/14] efi/x86: Get full memory map in allocate_e820() Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-25 13:02   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 05/14] x86/boot: Add infrastructure required for unaccepted memory support Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-15 10:19   ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-06-15 15:05     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-17 17:16       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-25 21:33   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 06/14] efi/x86: Implement support for unaccepted memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-22 19:58   ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-26  8:35   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 07/14] x86/boot/compressed: Handle " Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 08/14] x86/mm: Reserve unaccepted memory bitmap Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-26  9:07   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-11-30  1:28     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-12-01  9:37       ` Mike Rapoport
2022-12-01 13:47         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 09/14] x86/mm: Provide helpers for unaccepted memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 10/14] x86/mm: Avoid load_unaligned_zeropad() stepping into " Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-23 17:19   ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-26 10:21   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-08-02 23:46     ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-03 14:02       ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-11 11:26         ` Borislav Petkov
2022-08-13 16:11           ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-08-13 21:13             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-08-13 16:04         ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-08-13 20:58           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-26 17:25   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-26 17:46     ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-26 20:17   ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-08-09 11:38     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-08-13 16:03       ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-08-13 21:02         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 11/14] x86: Disable kexec if system has " Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-23 17:23   ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-23 17:23     ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-23 21:48     ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-06-23 21:48       ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-06-24  2:00       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-24  2:00         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-28 23:51         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-28 23:51           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-29  0:10           ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-29  0:10             ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-29  0:59             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-29  0:59               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-04  7:18               ` Dave Young
2022-07-04  7:18                 ` Dave Young
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 12/14] x86/tdx: Make _tdx_hypercall() and __tdx_module_call() available in boot stub Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-23 17:25   ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 13/14] x86/tdx: Refactor try_accept_one() Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-23 17:31   ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-26 10:58   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-06-14 12:02 ` [PATCHv7 14/14] x86/tdx: Add unaccepted memory support Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-24 16:22   ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-27 10:42     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-26 14:51   ` Borislav Petkov
2022-08-09 11:45     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-08-10 10:27       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-06-24 16:37 ` [PATCHv7 00/14] mm, x86/cc: Implement support for unaccepted memory Peter Gonda
2022-06-24 16:57   ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-24 17:06     ` Marc Orr
2022-06-24 17:09       ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-24 17:15         ` Peter Gonda
2022-06-24 17:19         ` Marc Orr
2022-06-24 17:21           ` Peter Gonda
2022-06-24 17:47           ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-24 18:10             ` Peter Gonda
2022-06-24 18:13               ` Dave Hansen
2022-06-24 17:40   ` Michael Roth
2022-06-24 17:58     ` Michael Roth
2022-06-24 18:05     ` Peter Gonda
2022-06-27 11:30   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-27 11:54     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-06-27 12:22       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-27 16:17         ` Peter Gonda
2022-06-27 16:33           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-06-27 22:38             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-06-28 17:17               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-07-18 17:21                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-18 23:32                   ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-07-19  0:31                     ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-07-19 18:29                       ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-07-19 19:13                         ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-19 20:45                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-07-19 21:23                             ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-19 21:35                               ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-19 21:50                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-19 22:01                                   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-19 22:02                                   ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-19 22:08                                     ` Tom Lendacky
2022-07-20  0:26                                     ` Marc Orr
2022-07-20  5:44                                       ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-20 17:03                                         ` Marc Orr
2022-07-22 15:07                                           ` Borislav Petkov
2022-07-21 17:12                                       ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-23 11:14                                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-07-28 22:01                                           ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-08-09 11:14                                           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-08-09 11:36                                             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2022-08-09 11:54                                               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-08-09 21:09                                                 ` Dionna Amalie Glaze [this message]
2022-07-19  2:48                     ` Yao, Jiewen
2022-07-29 14:01 ` [PATCH v1 0/2] Provide SEV-SNP " Tom Lendacky
2022-07-29 14:01   ` [PATCH v1 1/2] x86/sev: Use per-CPU PSC structure in prep for unaccepted memory support Tom Lendacky
2022-07-29 14:18     ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-29 14:25       ` Tom Lendacky
2022-07-29 19:08         ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-29 19:22           ` Tom Lendacky
2022-07-29 19:28             ` Dave Hansen
2022-07-29 20:12               ` Tom Lendacky
2022-08-03 18:11                 ` [PATCH v1.1 0/2] Provide SEV-SNP support for unaccepted memory Tom Lendacky
2022-08-03 18:11                   ` [PATCH v1.1 1/2] x86/sev: Use per-CPU PSC structure in prep for unaccepted memory support Tom Lendacky
2022-08-03 18:17                     ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-03 18:21                       ` Tom Lendacky
2022-08-03 18:24                         ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-03 21:03                           ` Tom Lendacky
2022-08-03 21:18                             ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-03 21:34                               ` Tom Lendacky
2022-08-03 21:48                                 ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-03 22:17                                   ` Tom Lendacky
2022-08-03 18:18                     ` Tom Lendacky
2022-08-03 18:11                   ` [PATCH v1.1 2/2] x86/sev: Add SNP-specific " Tom Lendacky
2022-07-29 14:01   ` [PATCH v1 " Tom Lendacky
2022-08-23  0:24     ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-08-23 14:28       ` Tom Lendacky
2022-08-23 23:28     ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-08-08 17:16 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Provide SEV-SNP support for unaccepted memory Tom Lendacky
2022-08-08 17:16   ` [PATCH v2 1/2] x86/sev: Put PSC struct on the stack in prep for unaccepted memory support Tom Lendacky
2022-08-08 21:43     ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-08 22:18       ` Tom Lendacky
2022-08-08 22:33         ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-08 22:35           ` Tom Lendacky
2022-08-12 13:03     ` Borislav Petkov
2022-08-12 14:11       ` Tom Lendacky
2022-08-12 14:33         ` Borislav Petkov
2022-08-12 14:51           ` Tom Lendacky
2022-08-13 19:40             ` Borislav Petkov
2022-08-14 13:36               ` Tom Lendacky
2022-08-08 17:16   ` [PATCH v2 2/2] x86/sev: Add SNP-specific " Tom Lendacky
2022-08-15 15:57 ` [PATCH v3 0/2] Provide SEV-SNP support for unaccepted memory Tom Lendacky
2022-08-15 15:57   ` [PATCH v3 1/2] x86/sev: Put PSC struct on the stack in prep for unaccepted memory support Tom Lendacky
2022-08-17 16:08     ` Borislav Petkov
2022-08-17 21:17       ` Tom Lendacky
2022-08-15 15:57   ` [PATCH v3 2/2] x86/sev: Add SNP-specific " Tom Lendacky
2022-08-18 13:39     ` Borislav Petkov
2022-08-25 14:23 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] Provide SEV-SNP support for unaccepted memory Tom Lendacky
2022-08-25 14:23   ` [PATCH v4 1/4] x86/sev: Put PSC struct on the stack in prep for unaccepted memory support Tom Lendacky
2022-09-20 16:15     ` Borislav Petkov
2022-08-25 14:23   ` [PATCH v4 2/4] x86/sev: Allow for use of the early boot GHCB for PSC requests Tom Lendacky
2022-08-25 14:23   ` [PATCH v4 3/4] x86/sev: Use large PSC requests if applicable Tom Lendacky
2022-08-25 14:23   ` [PATCH v4 4/4] x86/sev: Add SNP-specific unaccepted memory support Tom Lendacky
2022-08-25 22:10     ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-08-26 21:29       ` Tom Lendacky
2022-09-27 17:04 ` [PATCH v5 0/6] Provide SEV-SNP support for unaccepted memory Tom Lendacky
2022-09-27 17:04   ` [PATCH v5 1/6] x86/sev: Fix calculation of end address based on number of pages Tom Lendacky
2022-09-27 17:10     ` Dave Hansen
2022-09-27 20:45       ` Tom Lendacky
2022-09-27 19:04     ` Dionna Amalie Glaze
2022-09-27 17:04   ` [PATCH v5 2/6] " Tom Lendacky
2022-09-27 17:04   ` [PATCH v5 3/6] x86/sev: Put PSC struct on the stack in prep for unaccepted memory support Tom Lendacky
2022-09-27 17:04   ` [PATCH v5 4/6] x86/sev: Allow for use of the early boot GHCB for PSC requests Tom Lendacky
2022-09-27 17:04   ` [PATCH v5 5/6] x86/sev: Use large PSC requests if applicable Tom Lendacky
2022-09-27 17:04   ` [PATCH v5 6/6] x86/sev: Add SNP-specific unaccepted memory support Tom Lendacky

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