From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752303AbcCBOWO (ORCPT ); Wed, 2 Mar 2016 09:22:14 -0500 Received: from mail-ob0-f180.google.com ([209.85.214.180]:36774 "EHLO mail-ob0-f180.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750907AbcCBOWM (ORCPT ); Wed, 2 Mar 2016 09:22:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56D6F41D.9080107@suse.cz> References: <1454938691-2197-1-git-send-email-vbabka@suse.cz> <1454938691-2197-5-git-send-email-vbabka@suse.cz> <20160302063322.GB32695@js1304-P5Q-DELUXE> <56D6BACB.7060005@suse.cz> <56D6F41D.9080107@suse.cz> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 23:22:11 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 4/5] mm, kswapd: replace kswapd compaction with waking up kcompactd From: Joonsoo Kim To: Vlastimil Babka Cc: Joonsoo Kim , Linux Memory Management List , Andrew Morton , LKML , Andrea Arcangeli , "Kirill A. Shutemov" , Rik van Riel , Mel Gorman , David Rientjes , Michal Hocko , Johannes Weiner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org 2016-03-02 23:09 GMT+09:00 Vlastimil Babka : > On 03/02/2016 02:57 PM, Joonsoo Kim wrote: >> >> 2016-03-02 19:04 GMT+09:00 Vlastimil Babka : >>> >>> On 03/02/2016 07:33 AM, Joonsoo Kim wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Why you did the test with THP? THP interferes result of main test so >>>> it would be better not to enable it. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hmm I've always left it enabled. It makes for a more realistic >>> interference >>> and would also show unintended regressions in that closely related area. >> >> >> But, it makes review hard because complex analysis is needed to >> understand the result. >> >> Following is the example. >> >> "The compaction stalls >> (direct compaction) in the interfering kernel builds (probably THP's) also >> decreased somewhat to kcompactd activity, yet THP alloc successes improved >> a >> bit." >> >> So, why do we need this comment to understand effect of this patch? If you >> did >> a test without THP, it would not be necessary. > > > I see. Next time I'll do a run with THP disabled. > >>>> And, this patch increased compaction activity (10 times for migrate >>>> scanned) >>>> may be due to resetting skip block information. >>> >>> >>> >>> Note that kswapd compaction activity was completely non-existent for >>> reasons >>> outlined in the changelog. >>>> >>>> Isn't is better to disable it >>>> for this patch to work as similar as possible that kswapd does and >>>> re-enable it >>>> on next patch? If something goes bad, it can simply be reverted. >>>> >>>> Look like it is even not mentioned in the description. >>> >>> >>> >>> Yeah skip block information is discussed in the next patch, which >>> mentions >>> that it's being reset and why. I think it makes more sense, as when >>> kswapd >> >> >> Yes, I know. >> What I'd like to say here is that you need to care current_is_kswapd() in >> this patch. This patch unintentionally change the back ground compaction >> thread >> behaviour to restart compaction by every 64 trials because calling >> curret_is_kswapd() > >> by kcompactd would return false and is treated as direct reclaim. > > Oh, you mean this path to reset the skip bits. I see. But if skip bits are > already reset by kswapd when waking kcompactd, then effect of another (rare) > reset in kcompactd itself will be minimal? If you care current_is_kswapd() in this patch properly (properly means change like "current_is_kcompactd()), reset in kswapd would not happen because, compact_blockskip_flush would not be set by kcompactd. In this case, patch 5 would have it's own meaning so cannot be folded. Thanks. >> Result of patch 4 >> and patch 5 would be same. > > > It's certainly possible to fold patch 5 into 4. I posted them separately > mainly to make review more feasible. But the differences in results are > already quite small. > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-f174.google.com (mail-ob0-f174.google.com [209.85.214.174]) by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519EB828F2 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 09:22:12 -0500 (EST) Received: by mail-ob0-f174.google.com with SMTP id ts10so199356147obc.1 for ; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:22:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-x22c.google.com (mail-ob0-x22c.google.com. [2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22c]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g5si30542618oif.122.2016.03.02.06.22.11 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:22:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ob0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id fz5so67465474obc.0 for ; Wed, 02 Mar 2016 06:22:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56D6F41D.9080107@suse.cz> References: <1454938691-2197-1-git-send-email-vbabka@suse.cz> <1454938691-2197-5-git-send-email-vbabka@suse.cz> <20160302063322.GB32695@js1304-P5Q-DELUXE> <56D6BACB.7060005@suse.cz> <56D6F41D.9080107@suse.cz> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 23:22:11 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 4/5] mm, kswapd: replace kswapd compaction with waking up kcompactd From: Joonsoo Kim Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org List-ID: To: Vlastimil Babka Cc: Joonsoo Kim , Linux Memory Management List , Andrew Morton , LKML , Andrea Arcangeli , "Kirill A. Shutemov" , Rik van Riel , Mel Gorman , David Rientjes , Michal Hocko , Johannes Weiner 2016-03-02 23:09 GMT+09:00 Vlastimil Babka : > On 03/02/2016 02:57 PM, Joonsoo Kim wrote: >> >> 2016-03-02 19:04 GMT+09:00 Vlastimil Babka : >>> >>> On 03/02/2016 07:33 AM, Joonsoo Kim wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Why you did the test with THP? THP interferes result of main test so >>>> it would be better not to enable it. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hmm I've always left it enabled. It makes for a more realistic >>> interference >>> and would also show unintended regressions in that closely related area. >> >> >> But, it makes review hard because complex analysis is needed to >> understand the result. >> >> Following is the example. >> >> "The compaction stalls >> (direct compaction) in the interfering kernel builds (probably THP's) also >> decreased somewhat to kcompactd activity, yet THP alloc successes improved >> a >> bit." >> >> So, why do we need this comment to understand effect of this patch? If you >> did >> a test without THP, it would not be necessary. > > > I see. Next time I'll do a run with THP disabled. > >>>> And, this patch increased compaction activity (10 times for migrate >>>> scanned) >>>> may be due to resetting skip block information. >>> >>> >>> >>> Note that kswapd compaction activity was completely non-existent for >>> reasons >>> outlined in the changelog. >>>> >>>> Isn't is better to disable it >>>> for this patch to work as similar as possible that kswapd does and >>>> re-enable it >>>> on next patch? If something goes bad, it can simply be reverted. >>>> >>>> Look like it is even not mentioned in the description. >>> >>> >>> >>> Yeah skip block information is discussed in the next patch, which >>> mentions >>> that it's being reset and why. I think it makes more sense, as when >>> kswapd >> >> >> Yes, I know. >> What I'd like to say here is that you need to care current_is_kswapd() in >> this patch. This patch unintentionally change the back ground compaction >> thread >> behaviour to restart compaction by every 64 trials because calling >> curret_is_kswapd() > >> by kcompactd would return false and is treated as direct reclaim. > > Oh, you mean this path to reset the skip bits. I see. But if skip bits are > already reset by kswapd when waking kcompactd, then effect of another (rare) > reset in kcompactd itself will be minimal? If you care current_is_kswapd() in this patch properly (properly means change like "current_is_kcompactd()), reset in kswapd would not happen because, compact_blockskip_flush would not be set by kcompactd. In this case, patch 5 would have it's own meaning so cannot be folded. Thanks. >> Result of patch 4 >> and patch 5 would be same. > > > It's certainly possible to fold patch 5 into 4. I posted them separately > mainly to make review more feasible. But the differences in results are > already quite small. > -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@kvack.org. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Don't email: email@kvack.org