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From: Nickolai Belakovski <nbelakovski@gmail.com>
To: Philip Oakley <philipoakley@iee.org>
Cc: "Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, "Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>,
	"Rafael Ascensão" <rafa.almas@gmail.com>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 2/3] branch: Mark and color a branch differently if it is checked out in a linked worktree
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2019 17:41:12 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAC05384uh_xRboFhxohRq-vKFrTPDnszSaS3vW+BAv30h-Zd+g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e313d0b1-54b1-9fe2-6c75-d2ae7b57fe3a@iee.org>

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 1:43 PM Philip Oakley <philipoakley@iee.org> wrote:
>
> On 07/01/2019 19:04, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> > I do not think it is warranted to paint the safety features as
> > "limitations".
>
> Is this not just a case of needing to clarify that this is 'safety'
> related to the _users_ mental model (or lack of) relative to the limited
> information that was previously given by the branch command's list.
>
> You are right that there is no data safety issue, but users make
> mistakes when they misunderstand the situation.

Not trying to paint anything one way or another. I found that these
features got in the way of my workflows and didn't see any immediate
reason why they had to exist. Thinking about it a bit more, is it
unreasonable to delete a branch even if it's checked out in a worktree
as long as the user uses git branch --delete --force or -D? This would
leave the worktree in a detached head state, but all the data would be
untouched. The output of deletion could mention that the branch had
been checked out in a worktree so that the user is fully informed.

Checking out the same branch in two worktrees should be technically
possible to implement safely, but I don't see a use case for having
the same branch checked out in multiple worktrees anyway. Why use
multiple worktrees at that point? If a user really wants the same
contents in two directories they can work around this
limitation/safety feature by just making another branch pointing at
the same commit. But anyway I'm just explaining why I chose the word
'limitation'.


> >    If you do want to remove that branch,
> > you need to go to that worktree that has a checkout of that branch,
> > check out a different branch there, and then remove it.  Again,
> > knowing where that other worktree is is the fist thing you need to
> > know.

This just seems silly to me when git branch --delete has a --force
option. But that's off topic.

> >
> >> The git worktree list command contains the relevant information, however
> >> this is a much less frquently used command than git branch.
> > It is not a good justification.  If the "relevant information" given
> > by the command is necessary one, the user can run that command.  If
> > the situation where that "relevant information" becomes necessary is
> > rare, the command is run much less frequently is not a problem---it
> > is expected.  And overloading a more frequently used command with
> > information that is less frequently wanted is actually not a great
> > design.
> But leaving the older command unaware of the newer developments and the
> user unwise as to its missing info is equally a poor situation.
> >
> > A more relevant justification may be that even though the
> > information can already be found in "worktree list" output, it would
> > give us flexibility in presentation to allow the custom format in
> > for-each-ref to show it.
> >
> > So, I am between moderately Meh to fairly negative on this step; Meh
> > in the sense that "thanks to the previous step, we _could_ do this,
> > it does not give incorrect information, and it makes the output more
> > cheerful, but it does not add that much useful and actionable piece
> > of information".

Allow me to add some color to my original commit message. The point of
this patch is so that the user is not surprised when they see the
message that this branch is checked out in another worktree when
trying to delete it or check it out, since they have presumably run
git branch recently and seen the formatted output indicating that a
branch they may want to delete/checkout is checked out in a worktree.
This was my frustration that prompted me to dive into this in the
first place - I'm cleaning up my branches and all of a sudden git
decides it doesn't want to let me delete one because it's checked out
somewhere else, even though I know I don't care about it because I
know the branch has already been merged upstream, or is old, or
whatever. I thought, if git branch output could at least let me know
that it's going to treat some branches differently, I can be proactive
about things and go to my worktree and delete the branch, or skip
trying to clean it up or not check it out.

I'll pursue the above-mentioned topic of allowing git branch -D to
allow the user to delete branches checked out in a worktree
separately, but even if that goes through, I think this patch would
still be useful in that it tells me that I can't check out the
branches that are colored in cyan.

Does that make more sense?

  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-13  1:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <"<CAC05386q2iGoiJ_fRgwoOTF23exEN2D1+oh4VjajEvYQ58O1TQ@mail.gmail.com>
2018-09-27 15:13 ` [PATCH] branch: colorize branches checked out in a linked working tree the same way as the current branch is colorized Nickolai Belakovski
2018-09-27 15:33   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-09-27 17:46     ` Nickolai Belakovski
     [not found]     ` <CAC05387S9P+w8yqqcjkQDnURYSgQmqtukxS4KvqJu-kDA+_o0g@mail.gmail.com>
2018-09-27 17:59       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-10-02 20:41         ` Johannes Schindelin
2018-09-27 17:58   ` Duy Nguyen
2018-09-27 18:17   ` Jeff King
2018-09-27 18:39     ` Nickolai Belakovski
2018-09-27 18:51       ` Jeff King
2018-09-27 19:28     ` Rafael Ascensão
2018-09-27 19:35       ` Jeff King
2018-09-27 19:41         ` Jeff King
2018-09-27 21:22           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-28  1:05             ` Jeff King
2018-09-28  1:28               ` Junio C Hamano
2018-09-27 21:35         ` Rafael Ascensão
2018-09-28  1:07           ` Jeff King
2018-09-27 20:02       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-09-27 20:16         ` Nickolai Belakovski
2018-09-27 20:40           ` Rafael Ascensão
2018-11-11 23:58             ` [PATCH v2 0/2] refactoring branch colorization to ref-filter nbelakovski
2018-11-11 23:58               ` [PATCH v2 1/2] ref-filter: add worktree atom nbelakovski
2018-11-12 10:11                 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-12 12:22                   ` Jeff King
2018-11-13  1:38                     ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-21 14:05                       ` Nickolai Belakovski
2018-11-21 14:08                         ` Jeff King
2018-11-12 12:23                 ` Jeff King
2018-11-11 23:58               ` [PATCH v2 2/2] branch: Mark and colorize a branch differently if it is checked out in a linked worktree nbelakovski
2018-11-12 10:20                 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-12 12:14                   ` Jeff King
2018-11-12 18:07                     ` Rafael Ascensão
2018-11-13  1:45                       ` Junio C Hamano
2018-11-13 14:49                       ` Jeff King
2018-11-21 14:07                         ` Nickolai Belakovski
2018-12-16 21:57               ` [PATCH v3 0/3] nbelakovski
2018-12-16 21:57                 ` [PATCH v3 1/3] ref-filter: add worktreepath atom nbelakovski
2018-12-18 17:22                   ` Jeff King
2018-12-20  7:09                     ` Nickolai Belakovski
2018-12-20 14:59                       ` Jeff King
2018-12-24  8:47                         ` [PATCH v4 0/3] nbelakovski
2018-12-24  8:47                           ` [PATCH v4 1/3] ref-filter: add worktreepath atom nbelakovski
2019-01-03  5:40                             ` Jeff King
2019-01-03  9:31                               ` Eric Sunshine
2018-12-24  8:47                           ` [PATCH v4 2/3] branch: Mark and color a branch differently if it is checked out in a linked worktree nbelakovski
2018-12-24  8:47                           ` [PATCH v4 3/3] branch: Add an extra verbose output displaying worktree path for refs " nbelakovski
2019-01-03  5:42                             ` Jeff King
2019-01-03  5:22                           ` [PATCH v4 0/3] Jeff King
2018-12-16 21:57                 ` [PATCH v3 2/3] branch: Mark and color a branch differently if it is checked out in a linked worktree nbelakovski
2018-12-16 21:57                 ` [PATCH v3 3/3] branch: Add an extra verbose output displaying worktree path for refs " nbelakovski
2018-12-18 17:25                 ` [PATCH v3 0/3] Jeff King
2019-01-06  0:26   ` [PATCH v5 0/3] nbelakovski
2019-01-06  0:26     ` [PATCH v5 1/3] ref-filter: add worktreepath atom nbelakovski
2019-01-07 18:20       ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-18 22:17         ` Nickolai Belakovski
2019-01-18 22:20           ` Nickolai Belakovski
2019-01-06  0:26     ` [PATCH v5 2/3] branch: Mark and color a branch differently if it is checked out in a linked worktree nbelakovski
2019-01-07 19:04       ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-10 21:42         ` Philip Oakley
2019-01-13  1:41           ` Nickolai Belakovski [this message]
2019-01-14 18:18             ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-18 22:18               ` Nickolai Belakovski
2019-01-06  0:26     ` [PATCH v5 3/3] branch: Add an extra verbose output displaying worktree path for refs " nbelakovski
2019-01-07 19:09       ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-22 23:22   ` [PATCH v6 0/3] nbelakovski
2019-01-22 23:22     ` [PATCH v6 1/3] ref-filter: add worktreepath atom nbelakovski
2019-01-23 18:57       ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-23 23:34         ` Nickolai Belakovski
2019-01-24 18:26           ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-24 18:32             ` Jeff King
2019-01-24 19:27               ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-24 19:34                 ` Jeff King
2019-01-24 19:30               ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-24 21:26                 ` Jeff King
2019-01-31 20:53                   ` Nickolai Belakovski
2019-01-31 23:21                     ` Jeff King
2019-01-31 21:42                   ` Junio C Hamano
2019-01-31 23:20                     ` Jeff King
2019-01-22 23:23     ` [PATCH v6 2/3] branch: Mark and color a branch differently if it is checked out in a linked worktree nbelakovski
2019-01-22 23:23     ` [PATCH v6 3/3] branch: Add an extra verbose output displaying worktree path for refs " nbelakovski
2019-02-01 22:04   ` [PATCH v7 0/3] nbelakovski
2019-02-01 22:28     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-02-01 23:31       ` Nickolai Belakovski
2019-02-01 22:04   ` [PATCH v7 1/3] ref-filter: add worktreepath atom nbelakovski
2019-02-01 22:20     ` Eric Sunshine
2019-02-01 22:41       ` Nickolai Belakovski
2019-02-04 18:14         ` Junio C Hamano
2019-02-18 10:09           ` Nickolai Belakovski
2019-02-01 22:31     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-02-01 22:04   ` [PATCH v7 2/3] branch: Mark and color a branch differently if it is checked out in a linked worktree nbelakovski
2019-02-01 22:34     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-02-01 23:12       ` Nickolai Belakovski
2019-02-04 18:18         ` Junio C Hamano
2019-02-01 22:04   ` [PATCH v7 3/3] branch: Add an extra verbose output displaying worktree path for refs " nbelakovski
2019-02-01 22:27     ` Eric Sunshine
2019-02-01 22:45       ` Nickolai Belakovski
2019-02-01 22:53     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-02-01 23:06       ` Nickolai Belakovski
2019-02-02  1:22         ` [RFC] Sample of test for git branch -vv nbelakovski
2019-02-19  8:31   ` [PATCH v8 0/3] nbelakovski
2019-02-19  8:31     ` [PATCH v8 1/3] ref-filter: add worktreepath atom nbelakovski
2019-02-19  8:31     ` [PATCH v8 2/3] branch: update output to include worktree info nbelakovski
2019-02-21 12:44       ` Jeff King
2019-03-14  5:45         ` Nickolai Belakovski
2019-02-19  8:31     ` [PATCH v8 3/3] branch: add worktree info on verbose output nbelakovski
2019-02-21 12:59       ` Jeff King
2019-03-14  5:58         ` Nickolai Belakovski
2019-03-18  2:12           ` Junio C Hamano
2019-02-21 12:36     ` [PATCH v8 0/3] Jeff King
2019-03-14  6:10       ` Nickolai Belakovski
2019-03-16  1:38   ` [PATCH v9 0/3] nbelakovski
2019-03-16  1:38     ` [PATCH v9 1/3] ref-filter: add worktreepath atom nbelakovski
2019-03-16  1:38     ` [PATCH v9 2/3] branch: update output to include worktree info nbelakovski
2019-03-16  1:38     ` [PATCH v9 3/3] branch: add worktree info on verbose output nbelakovski
2019-03-18 12:10       ` SZEDER Gábor
2019-03-18  5:30     ` [PATCH v9 0/3] Junio C Hamano
2019-04-29  5:19   ` [PATCH v10 0/3] nbelakovski
2019-04-29  5:19     ` [PATCH v10 1/3] ref-filter: add worktreepath atom nbelakovski
2019-04-29  5:19     ` [PATCH v10 2/3] branch: update output to include worktree info nbelakovski
2019-04-29  5:19     ` [PATCH v10 3/3] branch: add worktree info on verbose output nbelakovski
2019-04-29 14:12     ` [PATCH v10 0/3] SZEDER Gábor
2019-04-29 19:27       ` Nickolai Belakovski
2019-04-29 20:57     ` Johannes Schindelin
2019-04-29 21:33       ` Nickolai Belakovski
     [not found]       ` <CAC05385Mc7pqiCd5mb+1c4WM+v7K=h=GMHuvkw9xizhRFJXXBA@mail.gmail.com>
2019-04-30 21:46         ` Johannes Schindelin

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