All of lore.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Keiichi Watanabe <keiichiw@chromium.org>
To: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Cc: "Dmitry Sepp" <dmitry.sepp@opensynergy.com>,
	"Tomasz Figa" <tfiga@chromium.org>,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
	"Linux Media Mailing List" <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@chromium.org>,
	"Alex Lau" <alexlau@chromium.org>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	"Dylan Reid" <dgreid@chromium.org>,
	"Enrico Granata" <egranata@google.com>,
	"Frediano Ziglio" <fziglio@redhat.com>,
	"Hans Verkuil" <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>,
	"Stéphane Marchesin" <marcheu@chromium.org>,
	"Pawel Osciak" <posciak@chromium.org>,
	spice-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	"David Stevens" <stevensd@chromium.org>,
	uril@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH v2 1/1] virtio-video: Add virtio video device specification
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 22:52:16 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAD90Vcb4Vb49uHGRRg0nJaKo=goH6zOxdQR2d7piLH_byxDYyw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191219131234.wm24cazvc7zrnhpn@sirius.home.kraxel.org>

Hi Gerd,

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 10:12 PM Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>   Hi,
>
> > > However that still doesn't let the driver know which buffers will be
> > > dequeued when. A simple example of this scenario is when the guest is
> > > done displaying a frame and requeues the buffer back to the decoder.
> > > Then the decoder will not choose it for decoding next frames into as
> > > long as the frame in that buffer is still used as a reference frame,
> > > even if one sends the drain request.
> > It might be that I'm getting your point wrong, but do you mean some hardware
> > can mark a buffer as ready to be displayed yet still using the underlying
> > memory to decode other frames?
>
> Yes, this is how I understand Tomasz Figa.
>
> > This means, if you occasionally/intentionally
> > write to the buffer you mess up the whole decoding pipeline.
>
> And to avoid this the buffer handling aspect must be clarified in the
> specification.  Is the device allowed to continue using the buffer after
> finishing decoding and completing the queue request?  If so, how do we
> hand over buffer ownership back to the driver so it can free the pages?
> drain request?  How do we handle re-using buffers?  Can the driver
> simply re-queue them and expect the device figures by itself whenever it
> can use the buffer or whenever it is still needed as reference frame?

The device shouldn't be able to access buffers after it completes a
queue request.
The device can touch buffer contents from when a queue request is sent
until the device responds it.
In contrast, the driver must not modify buffer contents in that period.

Regarding re-using, the driver can simply re-queue buffers returned by
the device. If the device needs a buffer as reference frame, it must
not return the buffer.
I'll describe this rule in the next version of the patch.

Best regards,
Keiichi

>
> cheers,
>   Gerd
>

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Keiichi Watanabe <keiichiw@chromium.org>
To: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Cc: "Dmitry Sepp" <dmitry.sepp@opensynergy.com>,
	"Tomasz Figa" <tfiga@chromium.org>,
	virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
	"Linux Media Mailing List" <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@chromium.org>,
	"Alex Lau" <alexlau@chromium.org>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	"Dylan Reid" <dgreid@chromium.org>,
	"Enrico Granata" <egranata@google.com>,
	"Frediano Ziglio" <fziglio@redhat.com>,
	"Hans Verkuil" <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>,
	"Stéphane Marchesin" <marcheu@chromium.org>,
	"Pawel Osciak" <posciak@chromium.org>,
	spice-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	"David Stevens" <stevensd@chromium.org>,
	uril@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH v2 1/1] virtio-video: Add virtio video device specification
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 22:52:16 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAD90Vcb4Vb49uHGRRg0nJaKo=goH6zOxdQR2d7piLH_byxDYyw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191219131234.wm24cazvc7zrnhpn@sirius.home.kraxel.org>

Hi Gerd,

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 10:12 PM Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>   Hi,
>
> > > However that still doesn't let the driver know which buffers will be
> > > dequeued when. A simple example of this scenario is when the guest is
> > > done displaying a frame and requeues the buffer back to the decoder.
> > > Then the decoder will not choose it for decoding next frames into as
> > > long as the frame in that buffer is still used as a reference frame,
> > > even if one sends the drain request.
> > It might be that I'm getting your point wrong, but do you mean some hardware
> > can mark a buffer as ready to be displayed yet still using the underlying
> > memory to decode other frames?
>
> Yes, this is how I understand Tomasz Figa.
>
> > This means, if you occasionally/intentionally
> > write to the buffer you mess up the whole decoding pipeline.
>
> And to avoid this the buffer handling aspect must be clarified in the
> specification.  Is the device allowed to continue using the buffer after
> finishing decoding and completing the queue request?  If so, how do we
> hand over buffer ownership back to the driver so it can free the pages?
> drain request?  How do we handle re-using buffers?  Can the driver
> simply re-queue them and expect the device figures by itself whenever it
> can use the buffer or whenever it is still needed as reference frame?

The device shouldn't be able to access buffers after it completes a
queue request.
The device can touch buffer contents from when a queue request is sent
until the device responds it.
In contrast, the driver must not modify buffer contents in that period.

Regarding re-using, the driver can simply re-queue buffers returned by
the device. If the device needs a buffer as reference frame, it must
not return the buffer.
I'll describe this rule in the next version of the patch.

Best regards,
Keiichi

>
> cheers,
>   Gerd
>

---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: virtio-dev-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org
For additional commands, e-mail: virtio-dev-help@lists.oasis-open.org


  reply	other threads:[~2020-01-08 13:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-18 13:02 [PATCH v2 0/1] VirtIO video device specification Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-18 13:02 ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-18 13:02 ` [PATCH v2 1/1] virtio-video: Add virtio " Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-18 13:02   ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-18 13:40   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-18 13:40     ` [virtio-dev] " Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-18 14:08     ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-18 14:08       ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-19  7:46       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-19  7:46         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-19  9:48         ` Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-19  9:48           ` Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-19  9:59           ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-19  9:59             ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-19 10:54             ` Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-19 10:54               ` Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-19 12:05               ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-19 12:05                 ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-19 13:12               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-19 13:12                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-08 13:52                 ` Keiichi Watanabe [this message]
2020-01-08 13:52                   ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-09 13:40                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-09 13:40                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-09 14:20                   ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-09 14:20                     ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-14  7:18                     ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-14  7:18                       ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-14 10:35                       ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-14 10:35                         ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-15  7:49                         ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-15  7:49                           ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-15 11:12                         ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-15 11:12                           ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-19 13:01           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-19 13:01             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-08 13:50             ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08 13:50               ` Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-19  9:26     ` Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-19  9:26       ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-19  9:59       ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-19  9:59         ` [virtio-dev] " Tomasz Figa
2019-12-19 12:54       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-19 12:54         ` [virtio-dev] " Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-18 17:29   ` Frediano Ziglio
2019-12-20 14:05     ` Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-20 14:05       ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-20 15:33       ` Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-20 15:33         ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-19 13:28   ` Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-19 13:28     ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-20 15:26     ` Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-20 15:26       ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-20 15:46       ` Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-21  6:46         ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-21  6:46           ` [virtio-dev] " Tomasz Figa
2019-12-30 12:16     ` Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-30 12:16       ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-06  6:31       ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-06  6:31         ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-06  8:33         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-06  8:33           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-06  9:29           ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-06  9:29             ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-03 15:47   ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-03 15:47     ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-06  8:47     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-06  8:47       ` [virtio-dev] " Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-06 10:21     ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-06 10:21       ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-06 14:59   ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-06 14:59     ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-07 13:24     ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-07 13:24       ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-07 16:50       ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-07 16:50         ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-08  6:59         ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08  6:59           ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08 10:00           ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-08 10:00             ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-08 12:14             ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08 12:14               ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08 12:46               ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-08 12:46                 ` [virtio-dev] " Tomasz Figa
2020-01-08 13:05                 ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08 13:05                   ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08 13:11                 ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-08 13:11                   ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-08 13:23                   ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08 13:23                     ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08 12:23   ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-08 12:23     ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-20 15:58 ` [PATCH v2 0/1] VirtIO " Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-20 15:58   ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2019-12-21  4:36   ` Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-21  4:36     ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2019-12-21  6:18     ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-21  6:18       ` [virtio-dev] " Tomasz Figa
2019-12-21  6:19       ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-21  6:19         ` [virtio-dev] " Tomasz Figa
2020-01-03 13:05         ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-03 13:05           ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-06 10:30           ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-06 10:30             ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-06 11:28             ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-06 11:28               ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-07 10:25               ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-07 10:25                 ` [virtio-dev] " Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-09 14:56                 ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-09 14:56                   ` [virtio-dev] " Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-10 10:16                   ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-10 10:16                     ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-10 13:53                     ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-10 13:53                       ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-10 15:11                       ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-10 15:11                         ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-11 16:06                         ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-11 16:06                           ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-13  9:50                           ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-13  9:50                             ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-15 11:23                             ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-15 11:23                               ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-13  9:56                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-13  9:56                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-13 10:41                           ` Dmitry Sepp
2020-01-13 11:05                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-13 11:05                               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-13 11:59                               ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-13 11:59                                 ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-13 13:26                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-13 13:26                                   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-15 11:00                                   ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-15 11:00                                     ` Tomasz Figa
2020-01-15 11:23                                     ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-15 11:23                                       ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-15 11:26                                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-15 11:26                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-20  7:20                                       ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-20  7:20                                         ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-20 10:47                                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-20 10:47                                           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-21  2:47                                           ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-21  2:47                                             ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-21  6:44                                             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-21  6:44                                               ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-01-21  8:56                                               ` Keiichi Watanabe
2020-01-21  8:56                                                 ` Keiichi Watanabe

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to='CAD90Vcb4Vb49uHGRRg0nJaKo=goH6zOxdQR2d7piLH_byxDYyw@mail.gmail.com' \
    --to=keiichiw@chromium.org \
    --cc=acourbot@chromium.org \
    --cc=alexlau@chromium.org \
    --cc=daniel@ffwll.ch \
    --cc=dgreid@chromium.org \
    --cc=dmitry.sepp@opensynergy.com \
    --cc=egranata@google.com \
    --cc=fziglio@redhat.com \
    --cc=hverkuil@xs4all.nl \
    --cc=kraxel@redhat.com \
    --cc=linux-media@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=marcheu@chromium.org \
    --cc=posciak@chromium.org \
    --cc=spice-devel@lists.freedesktop.org \
    --cc=stevensd@chromium.org \
    --cc=tfiga@chromium.org \
    --cc=uril@redhat.com \
    --cc=virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.