From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8E3C2B9F4 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:01:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA18B61245 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:01:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S234401AbhFNQDS (ORCPT ); Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:03:18 -0400 Received: from mail-il1-f175.google.com ([209.85.166.175]:40615 "EHLO mail-il1-f175.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S234187AbhFNQDP (ORCPT ); Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:03:15 -0400 Received: by mail-il1-f175.google.com with SMTP id b14so12652838ilq.7 for ; Mon, 14 Jun 2021 09:01:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=bXIOpXty1ev+pQBgiRMuI/vbY9HsNHNYSyOaqdGDdmk=; b=LnFuMHr+mk21j0sg9Q6t/q84i7xlqR50j+7vXt6Odzpvl3A0pKoGDsQOTH5Apr6Tvt PRAFuAXcGXmxetZobzS1V/sZrPH/VkeYdyI+BxQb/U/kjUKigJnU20k9niLDbEFJ7SSf yO8KwIxv5T86ZUUh2yT+TQiUVqZMwSXAv6ntWKPdYxhYmf4QgnCuTRraqEGWLNFPWyc/ 05tf8oOWSazHAhjWmJs1cbL4s9wixeXAddtekQztD2X1jCdKLxUY7d6GviceIKO+fyGq maaNL5BsoijvRtPjY3BMxYzldvdrOFg+vxbuyf9bUC+pbEtcm5qOrvVGlJLOgK+8KF2c gGVw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=bXIOpXty1ev+pQBgiRMuI/vbY9HsNHNYSyOaqdGDdmk=; b=NKA8QhZRAs1b2XNZVha3Ho0EhTipqZFAiEk9JW93N6nTa+zFYJ8rEQ7mtmiQVRAHea MP0Whcz4d7qMyXVMiDhijkaFfAyZTrUY182KG7Au2NdlZhmCj/2A+kWqjzlm+cImGIAv 3RlGIBd++fWEMXXc0rQX4nwzzYyQTFf9j85UeR2g7EpH/vcdlh3qGh0wUFyofzFn95nT Zf8yG4jjGSOVt5lSPyKJK0PIONEL4j4CGkdl/494QJKD95wPqq1BxKR52BGOazceL5Sn ggEFozBuJupmNGSR5ekuXRJ/3kceg+erCWxMb2v170+1OK9Y+igxFkxchYfV8JjGTKsT sPbg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531GK5JEL68f5FsY9BnQnvLIdZpUG5oAPupoxL+7JzoTAo+6FD7l YgedDad59hAIADs1yMPyVSgukvs64v9fyu3C+fbT6bAmhmU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwnnFtTMbFvOWbgHXJsCmicLdY+oAlpdvUauCveDLj6gZH8gAuOmlughZHyjQolLt0hn1zFu+ZGENWVbSeRUMs= X-Received: by 2002:a92:260b:: with SMTP id n11mr14248059ile.134.1623686400589; Mon, 14 Jun 2021 09:00:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: denis bider Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 10:59:49 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Linus's "let's kill people" rant (Re: Maintainers / Kernel Summit 2021 planning kick-off) To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@transmeta.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Linus - what you wrote here on June 10 is fatally wrong. You mistake a neat, cute narrative of how we imagine mRNA works, with what these vaccines actually do in the body. You owe it to yourself, and to anyone who trusts you, to postpone non-urgent work, and spend a month researching these vaccines. Look into the number of deaths and side effects "after" the vaccines. Even the numbers in official reports (VAERS and its European equivalent) are unprecedented compared to any previous treatment. The number of deaths officially logged is hundreds of times beyond anything before. These unprecedented numbers are accompanied by suppression of information, deplatforming and censorship that we had never seen. Doctors and nurses are being fired and having licenses suspended for doubting the administrators' narrative. Filling out a VAERS report is 12+ pages of work with penalties. The VAERS numbers are backlogged and suppressed, and the real numbers may be 10x higher. You believe these vaccines are saving millions. But the same dishonesty which is used to suppress information about them was used to inflate the pandemic, in all ways you can think of. Putting people with respiratory issues into nursing homes LITERALLY to drive up deaths. PCR tests with 40+ cycles and 10% false positives, while testing much of the population every week. Rewarding hospitals $13k for each Covid diagnosis and $30k to put them on a ventilator, which is a death sentence. Changed reporting guidelines so that deaths "with virus" are treated as if "of" the virus. If the common cold were treated this way, it would be the most lethal disease in history. According to CDC, only 6% of US deaths "with Covid" actually listed it as the single cause. Suppressing HCQ and ivermectin EVEN NOW when hundreds of studies have shown they are safe and effective cures. In Queensland, a doctor can't prescribe HCQ for Covid on penalty of up to 6 months in prison. Now with these vaccines, the opposite. Every death "with" Covid is because of Covid, but every death "after" vaccines is unrelated to vaccines. An anonymous report by a doctor in the Kansas City area states that out of 500 people who got vaccinated in nursing homes, 22 died within 48 hours. Are you willing to bet your life that this is false? You are making the stereotypical mistake of an engineer. You work with simple deterministic systems. This gives you confidence to treat everything as a simple deterministic system - including the body. You have little in common with PhDs who treat the body as complex and holistic, and warn about the effects of our interventions. Such people seem like Debby Downers to you. You find much more in common with those drug and vaccine developers who use a gung-ho, engineer mentality. Even when the penalty for their mistakes and dishonesty is death. Can you recall, off-hand, the most recent experience of merging a kernel commit which you 100% believed will not break userspace - and then it broke userspace? Isn't it nice, for you, that the penalty for this is not disability or death for 5% of your users? Count the number of times you have done this. How many of your users would still be alive if your product was an annual injectable? What does this say about a vax developed this way? You MUST research this, or more will die; including people you know. Your current knowledge - not to even mention the statement you made - is extremely dangerous and harmful. The West Coast is a bubble bordering on self-indoctrinated and insane. There's nothing technical that you can do right now that's more important than waking yourself up from this. It's not that this discussion does not belong on this mailing list. It's that 90% of the work on this mailing list should stop right now, and EVERYONE should research Covid and the vaccines. Regards, denis bider ----- Original Message ----- > > And I know *a lot* of people who will never take part in this generic > human experiment that basically creates a new humanoid race (people > who generate and exhaust the toxic spike proteine, whose gene sequence > doesn't look quote natural). I'm one of them, as my whole family. Please keep your insane and technically incorrect anti-vax comments to yourself. You don't know what you are talking about, you don't know what mRNA is, and you're spreading idiotic lies. Maybe you do so unwittingly, because of bad education. Maybe you do so because you've talked to "experts" or watched youtube videos by charlatans that don't know what they are talking about. But dammit, regardless of where you have gotten your mis-information from, any Linux kernel discussion list isn't going to have your idiotic drivel pass uncontested from me. Vaccines have saved the lives of literally tens of millions of people. Just for your edification in case you are actually willing to be educated: mRNA doesn't change your genetic sequence in any way. It is the exact same intermediate - and temporary - kind of material that your cells generate internally all the time as part of your normal cell processes, and all that the mRNA vaccines do is to add a dose their own specialized sequence that then makes your normal cell machinery generate that spike protein so that your body learns how to recognize it. The half-life of mRNA is a few hours. Any injected mRNA will be all gone from your body in a day or two. It doesn't change anything long-term, except for that natural "your body now knows how to recognize and fight off a new foreign protein" (which then tends to fade over time too, but lasts a lot longer than a few days). And yes, while your body learns to fight off that foreign material, you may feel like shit for a while. That's normal, and it's your natural response to your cells spending resources on learning how to deal with the new threat. And of the vaccines, the mRNA ones are the most modern, and the most targeted - exactly because they do *not* need to have any of the other genetic material that you traditionally have in a vaccine (ie no need for basically the whole - if weakened - bacterial or virus genetic material). So the mRNA vaccines actually have *less* of that foreign material in them than traditional vaccines do. And a *lot* less than the very real and actual COVID-19 virus that is spreading in your neighborhood. Honestly, anybody who has told you differently, and who has told you that it changes your genetic material, is simply uneducated. You need to stop believing the anti-vax lies, and you need to start protecting your family and the people around you. Get vaccinated. I think you are in Germany, and COVID-19 numbers are going down. It's spreading a lot less these days, largely because people around you have started getting the vaccine - about half having gotten their first dose around you, and about a quarter being fully vaccinated. If you and your family are more protected these days, it's because of all those other people who made the right choice, but it's worth noting that as you see the disease numbers go down in your neighborhood, those diminishing numbers are going to predominantly be about people like you and your family. So don't feel all warm and fuzzy about the fact that covid cases have dropped a lot around you. Yes, all those vaccinated people around you will protect you too, but if there is another wave, possibly due to a more transmissible version - you and your family will be at _much_ higher risk than those vaccinated people because of your ignorance and mis-information. Get vaccinated. Stop believing the anti-vax lies. And if you insist on believing in the crazy conspiracy theories, at least SHUT THE HELL UP about it on Linux kernel discussion lists. Linus