From: Evan Green <email@example.com> To: David Hildenbrand <firstname.lastname@example.org> Cc: Andrew Morton <email@example.com>, firstname.lastname@example.org, Michal Hocko <email@example.com>, Pavel Machek <firstname.lastname@example.org>, Alex Shi <email@example.com>, Alistair Popple <firstname.lastname@example.org>, Johannes Weiner <email@example.com>, Joonsoo Kim <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <email@example.com>, Miaohe Lin <firstname.lastname@example.org>, Minchan Kim <email@example.com>, Suren Baghdasaryan <firstname.lastname@example.org>, Vlastimil Babka <email@example.com>, LKML <firstname.lastname@example.org>, email@example.com Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] mm: Enable suspend-only swap spaces Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2021 11:00:56 -0700 [thread overview] Message-ID: <CAE=gft7eY0scobDwQGq-OuFk4Ec2APFQF-4K6UVkTN-TOGwETw@mail.gmail.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <firstname.lastname@example.org> On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 12:12 AM David Hildenbrand <email@example.com> wrote: > > On 21.07.21 23:40, Evan Green wrote: > > Currently it's not possible to enable hibernation without also enabling > > generic swap for a given swap area. These two use cases are not the > > same. For example there may be users who want to enable hibernation, > > but whose drives don't have the write endurance for generic swap > > activities. Swap and hibernate also have different security/integrity > > requirements, prompting folks to possibly set up something like block-level > > integrity for swap and image-level integrity for hibernate. Keeping swap > > and hibernate separate in these cases becomes not just a matter of > > preference, but correctness. > > > > Add a new SWAP_FLAG_NOSWAP that adds a swap region but refuses to allow > > generic swapping to it. This region can still be wired up for use in > > suspend-to-disk activities, but will never have regular pages swapped to > > it. This flag will be passed in by utilities like swapon(8), usage would > > probably look something like: swapon -o noswap /dev/sda2. > > Just a minor comment, I'd call it rather SWAP_FLAG_HIBERNATE_ONLY and > SWAP_FLAG_HIBERNATE_ONLY -- that calls the child by its name. I went back and forth on this too. It seemed pretty close to toss-up to me. I went with NOSWAP ultimately because it seemed more closely tied to what the flag was actually doing, rather than building in my one expected use case into the name. In some world years from now where either hibernate has diverged, been deleted, or maybe some new usage has been invented for swap space, the NOSWAP name felt like it had a better chance of holding up. The argument is weak though, as these features are pretty well cast in stone, and the likelihood of any of those outcomes seems low. I can change it if you feel strongly, but would probably keep it as-is otherwise. > > I think some other flags might not apply with that new flag set, right? > For example, does SWAP_FLAG_DISCARD_ONCE or SWP_AREA_DISCARD still have > any meaning with the new flag being set? > > We should most probably disallow enabling any flag that doesn't make any > sense in combination. Good point, I can send a followup patch for that. From my reading SWAP_FLAG_DISCARD and SWAP_FLAG_DISCARD_ONCE are still valid, since the discard can be run at swapon() time. SWAP_FLAG_PREFER (specifying the priority) doesn't make sense, and SWAP_FLAG_DISCARD_PAGES never kicks in because it's called at the cluster level. Hm, that sort of seems like a bug that freed hibernate swap doesn't get discarded. I can disallow it now as unsupported, but might send a patch to fix it later. > > Apart from that, I'd love to see a comment in here why the workaround > suggested by Michal isn't feasible -- essentially a summary of what we > discussed. Ah sorry, I had tried to clarify that in the commit text, but didn't explicitly address the workaround. To summarize, the workaround keeps generic swap out of your hibernate region... until hibernate time. But once hibernate starts, a lot of swapping tends to happen when the hiber-image is allocated. At this point the hibernate region is eligible for general swap even with the workaround. The reasons I gave for wanting to exclusively steer swap and hibernate are SSD write wearing, different integrity solutions for swap vs hibernate, and our own security changes that no-op out the swapon/swapoff syscalls after init. > > I had a quick glimpse and nothing jumed at me, no mm/swapfile.c expert, > though :) Thanks David! -Evan > > > > -- > Thanks, > > David / dhildenb >
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-07-22 18:01 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2021-07-21 21:40 Evan Green 2021-07-21 22:09 ` Andrew Morton 2021-07-22 17:16 ` Evan Green 2021-07-22 17:16 ` Evan Green 2021-07-22 7:12 ` David Hildenbrand 2021-07-22 18:00 ` Evan Green [this message] 2021-07-22 18:00 ` Evan Green 2021-07-23 6:58 ` David Hildenbrand 2021-07-23 17:42 ` Evan Green 2021-07-23 17:42 ` Evan Green
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