From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754849AbdCXGiC (ORCPT ); Fri, 24 Mar 2017 02:38:02 -0400 Received: from mail-wm0-f48.google.com ([74.125.82.48]:38631 "EHLO mail-wm0-f48.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751601AbdCXGhx (ORCPT ); Fri, 24 Mar 2017 02:37:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20170323183937.GC5953@htj.duckdns.org> References: <1488292722-19410-1-git-send-email-patrick.bellasi@arm.com> <1488292722-19410-2-git-send-email-patrick.bellasi@arm.com> <20170320171511.GB3623@htj.duckdns.org> <20170320180837.GB28391@e110439-lin> <20170323103254.GA11362@e110439-lin> <20170323160112.GA5953@htj.duckdns.org> <20170323181533.GB11362@e110439-lin> <20170323183937.GC5953@htj.duckdns.org> From: "Joel Fernandes (Google)" Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 23:37:50 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [RFC v3 1/5] sched/core: add capacity constraints to CPU controller To: Tejun Heo Cc: Patrick Bellasi , Linux Kernel Mailing List , linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar , Peter Zijlstra Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi Tejun, >> That's also why the proposed interface has now been defined as a extension of >> the CPU controller in such a way to keep a consistent view. >> >> This controller is already used by run-times like Android to "scope" apps by >> constraining the amount of CPUs resource they are getting. >> Is that not a legitimate usage of the cpu controller? >> >> What we are doing here is just extending it a bit in such a way that, while: >> >> {cfs,rt}_{period,runtime}_us limits the amount of TIME we can use a CPU >> >> we can also use: >> >> capacity_{min,max} to limit the actual COMPUTATIONAL BANDWIDTH we can use >> during that time. > > Yes, we do have bandwidth restriction as a cgroup only feature, which > is different from how we handle nice levels and weights. Given the > nature of bandwidth limits, if necessary, it is straight-forward to > expose per-task interface. > > capacity min/max isn't the same thing. It isn't a limit on countable > units of a specific resource and that's why the interface you > suggested for .min is different. It's restricting attribute set which > can be picked in the subhierarchy rather than controlling distribution > of atoms of the resource. > > That's also why we're gonna have problem if we later decide we need a > thread based API for it. Once we make cgroup the primary owner of the > attribute, it's not straight forward to add another owner. Sorry I don't immediately see why it is not straight forward to have a per-task API later once CGroup interface is added? Maybe if you don't mind giving an example that will help? I can start with an example, say you have a single level hierarchy (Top-app in Android terms is the set of tasks that are user facing and we'd like to enforce some capacity minimums, background on the other hand is the opposite): ROOT (min = 0, max = 1024) / \ / \ TOP-APP (min = 200, max = 1024) BACKGROUND (min = 0, max = 500) If in the future, if we want to have a per-task API to individually configure the task with these limits, it seems it will be straight forward to implement IMO. As Patrick mentioned, all of the usecases needing this right now is an informed runtime placing a task in a group of tasks and not needing to set attributes for each individual task. We are already placing tasks in individual CGroups in Android based on the information the runtime has so adding in the capacity constraints will make it fit naturally while leaving the door open for any future per-task API additions IMO. Thanks, Joel