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From: George Dunlap <George.Dunlap@eu.citrix.com>
To: Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com>
Cc: Elena Ufimtseva <elena.ufimtseva@oracle.com>,
	Wei Liu <wei.liu2@citrix.com>,
	Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Dario Faggioli <dario.faggioli@citrix.com>,
	David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com>,
	Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	"xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org" <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
	Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: PV-vNUMA issue: topology is misinterpreted by the guest
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:43:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFLBxZbYR--Uq0bZxwSsX3HhUm5fa5U-Jtct6a=B8q8jS6WEfQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55B5B504.2030504@suse.com>

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 5:35 AM, Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com> wrote:
> On 07/24/2015 06:44 PM, Boris Ostrovsky wrote:
>>
>> On 07/24/2015 12:39 PM, Juergen Gross wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't say mangling cpuids can't solve the scheduling problem. It
>>> surely can. But it can't solve the scheduling problem without hiding
>>> information like number of sockets or cores which might be required
>>> for license purposes. If we don't care, fine.
>>>
>>
>> (this is somewhat repeating the email I just sent)
>>
>> Why can's we construct socket/core info with CPUID (and *possibly* ACPI
>> changes) that we present a reasonable (licensing-wise) picture?
>>
>> Can you suggest an example where it will not work and then maybe we can
>> figure something out?
>
>
> Let's assume a software with license based on core count. You have a
> system with a 2 8 core processors and hyperthreads enabled, summing up
> to 32 logical processors. Your license is valid for up to 16 cores, so
> running the software on bare metal on your system is fine.
>
> Now you are running the software inside a virtual machine with 24 vcpus
> in a cpupool with 24 logical cpus limited to 12 cores (6 cores of each
> processor). As we have to hide hyperthreading in order to not to have
> to pin each vcpu to just a single logical processor, the topology
> resulting from this picture will have to present 24 cores. The license
> will not cover this hardware.

But how does doing a PV topology help this situation?  Because we're
telling one thing to the OS (via our PV interface) and another thing
to applications (via direct CPUID access)?

 -George

  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-27 10:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-16 10:32 PV-vNUMA issue: topology is misinterpreted by the guest Dario Faggioli
2015-07-16 10:47 ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-16 10:56   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-16 15:25     ` Wei Liu
2015-07-16 15:45       ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-16 15:50         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-16 16:29           ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-16 16:39             ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-16 16:59               ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-17  6:09                 ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-17  7:27                   ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-17  7:42                     ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-17  8:44                     ` Wei Liu
2015-07-17 18:17                     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-20 14:09                       ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-20 14:43                         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-21 20:00                           ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-22 13:36                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-22 13:50                               ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-22 13:58                                 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-22 14:09                                   ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-22 14:44                                     ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-23  4:43                                       ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-23  7:28                                         ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-23  9:42                                         ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-23 14:07                                         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-23 14:13                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 10:28                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 14:44                                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 15:14                                               ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 15:24                                                 ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 15:58                                                   ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 16:09                                                     ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2015-07-24 16:14                                                       ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 16:18                                                       ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 16:29                                                         ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2015-07-24 16:39                                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 16:44                                                             ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-27  4:35                                                               ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 10:43                                                                 ` George Dunlap [this message]
2015-07-27 10:54                                                                   ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-27 11:13                                                                     ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 10:54                                                                   ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 11:11                                                                     ` George Dunlap
2015-07-27 12:01                                                                       ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 12:16                                                                         ` Tim Deegan
2015-07-27 13:23                                                                         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27 14:02                                                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 14:02                                                                       ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27 10:41                                                       ` George Dunlap
2015-07-27 10:49                                                         ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-27 13:11                                                           ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 16:10                                                     ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 16:40                                                       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-24 16:48                                                         ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-24 17:11                                                           ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-27 13:40                                                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27  4:24                                                         ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 14:09                                                       ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27 14:34                                                         ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-27 14:43                                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 14:51                                                             ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-27 15:03                                                               ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 14:47                                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-27 14:58                                                           ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-28  4:29                                                         ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-28 15:11                                                           ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-28 16:17                                                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-28 17:13                                                               ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-29  6:04                                                               ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-29  7:09                                                                 ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-29  7:44                                                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 16:05                                                 ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-28 10:05                                                   ` Wei Liu
2015-07-28 15:17                                                     ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-24 20:27                                               ` Elena Ufimtseva
2015-07-22 14:50                                     ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-22 15:32                                       ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-22 15:49                                         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-22 18:10                                           ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-23  7:25                                             ` Jan Beulich
2015-07-24 16:03                                               ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-07-23 13:46                                             ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-17 10:17                 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-16 15:26 ` Wei Liu
2015-07-27 15:13 ` David Vrabel
2015-07-27 16:02   ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27 16:31     ` David Vrabel
2015-07-27 16:33       ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-27 17:42         ` Dario Faggioli
2015-07-27 17:50           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2015-07-27 23:19           ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-28  3:52             ` Juergen Gross
2015-07-28  9:40               ` Andrew Cooper
2015-07-28  9:28             ` Dario Faggioli

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