From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59EB2C47083 for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2021 06:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E336140C for ; Fri, 4 Jun 2021 06:50:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S230002AbhFDGwl (ORCPT ); Fri, 4 Jun 2021 02:52:41 -0400 Received: from mail-lf1-f45.google.com ([209.85.167.45]:33365 "EHLO mail-lf1-f45.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229948AbhFDGwj (ORCPT ); Fri, 4 Jun 2021 02:52:39 -0400 Received: by mail-lf1-f45.google.com with SMTP id t7so5356804lff.0; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 23:50:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kaQSMao5BG9s/Mo5xQzGz0o3ckk1n5tL2skjZO8oAN4=; b=o2RBE89HEbwJAgw+1+TCT4by4UKkM2fIx3eDfTqZ2hpV+WJXf7sBAW8y/zrlnQcUso CY0xPzMTzkbS+s9gCuJ9rUOJSupkPofz18D7dmRK8vkUXOp00ydnJD35S/FxNDDIK9oY bsCbBBSI+8hFQz6jXHq21CD8QaFL8qBtTLlrTY3UjwnnK0mc5hL3sywWHIOMz65+PI3S 3TSHYZJOtgaRT0rbGSQe6SWIySyOLHT6GtAihCIjr4guEEpBgMA4rO+OoYUXV6hfhAcU uS7BBZzDGTBEHsgIWtHQ5cGiD9ahjF+syOTfPZiIXmF4m6ZnR1kpCOCpQaEvymMrxGIs O7gw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kaQSMao5BG9s/Mo5xQzGz0o3ckk1n5tL2skjZO8oAN4=; b=CKIsK+rVwYk0jq5pKm+TITOQYvahkx1hpvxe0lBJ6YkEHKOrewRdLfN525ChXX7fH9 Xwzey5B51g81zvi1CnenH3HXRqcAvblbqoGbT33ePdpY+atHPINnFaMPcB0biESGF1eI waYDOUQOhcI9O9i6kBcWO02TqhPQuctnQbBRE2Y2xLReEbORdeLr6zNhQ51uyIEXWHDw BbAlwqy3jqNJCEFGld3sAcF3nTrV5frMnO4472VVSs2MhILUlzYgU+1ES9MghDGcoZZV S+N+vF+6IbeOiIXcUQ1cj7CdD1f7VwFYZP5DGwJMUKXhjT7/2DVRmU7vV2Dx+8aZ979R yTxQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53393PoIXh8jLSTcoaHhQUai3akFO/lptEJL0P5QoSM3vaDSTlLf xw7ywAtPmK1VJKzCs8FrciiyggJpAG9xghHmq5M= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzpgIdt9qTidz6JILOFe6SgId4AwPgluxUxDYfG8w8Nhgqz3Z5eMejUiYcCBKnp5ESehgaWueQPLTdiD6jOxlg= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:3e14:: with SMTP id i20mr171986lfv.474.1622789380421; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 23:49:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1243888060.510560.1612783497400@ichabod.co-bxl> <20210210150118.ly252i37eykayrcb@gilmour> <1719200956.433094.1613199092092@ichabod.co-bxl> <6612268.HtAl026vyE@jernej-laptop> <206881200.203318.1622780349817@ichabod.co-bxl> In-Reply-To: <206881200.203318.1622780349817@ichabod.co-bxl> From: Julian Calaby Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 16:49:28 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [linux-sunxi] Re: [PATCH] ARM: dts: sun8i: h3: orangepi-plus: Fix Ethernet PHY mode To: broake@mailfence.com Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Jernej_=C5=A0krabec?= , LKML , "Mailing List, Arm" , linux-sunxi , devicetree Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi, On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 3:45 PM 'B.R. Oake' via linux-sunxi wrote: > > On Sat Feb 13 09:51:17 CET 2021, Jernej =C5=A0krabec wrote: > > Let me first explain that it was oversight on my side not noticing init= ials in > > your SoB tag. But since the issue was raised by Maxime, I didn't follow= up. > > [...] > > Dear Jernej, > > First of all, thank you very much for all your linux-sunxi work: I > especially appreciate the video support you've provided. > > Thank you for initially approving my patch. Although I first posted a > patch to the linux-sunxi list about seven years ago, this patch was my > first formal submission to LKML, so it meant a lot to me to see it > accepted by a kernel developer, even if only briefly. > > I'm sorry for taking a long time to reply. I wanted to wait for the > maintainers to respond to my last mail because I thought it would be > best for them to speak for themselves on this issue. Sadly I haven't > yet received a response from them. > > > > I believe that real name means no initials, no matter what people are > > accustomed to. From my point of view, CJ is pseudonym derived from real= name. > > I don't think that's a widely held belief though. For example, I think > most people consider "J.R.R. Tolkien" to be a real name, even though it > contains initials. Also, a first name like CJ isn't necessarily derived > from some longer name like Cathy Jane, it can simply be the person's > given name. I'm grateful to Vagrant Cascadian for drawing our attention > to Patrick McKenzie's essay "Falsehoods Programmers Believe About Names". > I believe we harm Linux development when we exclude people whose names > don't fit our assumptions. > > Another reason for signing with initials is to ensure that other people > cannot infer anything about the author's gender. Women especially might > choose to do this to avoid the harassment that a female name can attract, > as shown in these studies for example: > > https://ece.umd.edu/news/story/study-finds-femalename-chat-users-get-25-t= imes-more-malicious-messages > https://www.reach3insights.com/women-gaming-study > > If we forbid people from contributing in a gender-neutral way, many may > feel they cannot contribute at all. Again, I think that when we exclude > these people we are all worse off as a result. While I completely sympathise with your points here, the issue isn't a technical or social issue, but a legal one. The DCO was introduced to provide a mechanism to trace the origin of a piece of code for legal purposes, so my understanding is that the name supplied needs to be your legal name. Whilst, as you've pointed out, there are a lot of ways that names don't match up to the normal "Firstname I. N. I. T. I. A. L. S. Lastname" format, that is the case for the vast majority of people and exceptions to that are rare. Your arguments against providing that name haven't exactly helped your case either as they are similar to the arguments someone trying to hide behind a pseudonym might use. Your points about previous instances of this happening also don't hold water either as we don't know the circumstances behind those cases. Git's history is considered immutable once it makes it to an "official" repository (generally one published publicly) so it's likely they were oversights that weren't caught until it was too late. 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