From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>, Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, "the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@kernel.org>, Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, "linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>, Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>, "kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com" <kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>, Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>, Jann Horn <jann@thejh.net>, Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com> Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/13] Virtually mapped stacks with guard pages (x86, core) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:12:31 -0700 [thread overview] Message-ID: <CAGXu5jLQk8zha3cx158GU6AGN+XDManurTmuC08XjYcJBJhvfg@mail.gmail.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <CALCETrWEokFnfjx_LjG_S4TizjVo=YcJNpeoSwxHn0-d2+Aw+A@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Linus Torvalds > <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote: >>> >>> So I'm leaning toward fewer cache entries per cpu, maybe just one. >>> I'm all for making it a bit faster, but I think we should weigh that >>> against increasing memory usage too much and thus scaring away the >>> embedded folks. >> >> I don't think the embedded folks will be scared by a per-cpu cache, if >> it's just one or two entries. And I really do think that even just >> one or two entries will indeed catch a lot of the cases. >> >> And yes, fork+execve() is too damn expensive in page table build-up >> and tear-down. I'm not sure why bash doesn't do vfork+exec for when it >> has to wait for the process anyway, but it doesn't seem to do that. >> > > I don't know about bash, but glibc very recently fixed a long-standing > but in posix_spawn and started using clone() in a sensible manner for > this. > > FWIW, it may be a while before this can be enabled in distro kernels. > There are some code paths (*cough* crypto users *cough*) that think > that calling sg_init_one with a stack address is a reasonable thing to > do, and it doesn't work with a vmalloced stack. grsecurity works ... O_o ... Why does it not work on a vmalloced stack?? > around this by using a real lowmem higher-order stack, aliasing it > into vmalloc space, and arranging for virt_to_phys to backtrack the > alias, but eww. I think I'd rather find and fix the bugs, assuming > they're straightforward. Yeah. That's ugly. -Kees -- Kees Cook Chrome OS & Brillo Security
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From: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>, Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>, Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, "linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>, Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>, Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>, "kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com" <kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>, Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>, Jann Horn <jann@thejh.net>, Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com> Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v3 00/13] Virtually mapped stacks with guard pages (x86, core) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 11:12:31 -0700 [thread overview] Message-ID: <CAGXu5jLQk8zha3cx158GU6AGN+XDManurTmuC08XjYcJBJhvfg@mail.gmail.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <CALCETrWEokFnfjx_LjG_S4TizjVo=YcJNpeoSwxHn0-d2+Aw+A@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote: > On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:16 AM, Linus Torvalds > <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote: >>> >>> So I'm leaning toward fewer cache entries per cpu, maybe just one. >>> I'm all for making it a bit faster, but I think we should weigh that >>> against increasing memory usage too much and thus scaring away the >>> embedded folks. >> >> I don't think the embedded folks will be scared by a per-cpu cache, if >> it's just one or two entries. And I really do think that even just >> one or two entries will indeed catch a lot of the cases. >> >> And yes, fork+execve() is too damn expensive in page table build-up >> and tear-down. I'm not sure why bash doesn't do vfork+exec for when it >> has to wait for the process anyway, but it doesn't seem to do that. >> > > I don't know about bash, but glibc very recently fixed a long-standing > but in posix_spawn and started using clone() in a sensible manner for > this. > > FWIW, it may be a while before this can be enabled in distro kernels. > There are some code paths (*cough* crypto users *cough*) that think > that calling sg_init_one with a stack address is a reasonable thing to > do, and it doesn't work with a vmalloced stack. grsecurity works ... O_o ... Why does it not work on a vmalloced stack?? > around this by using a real lowmem higher-order stack, aliasing it > into vmalloc space, and arranging for virt_to_phys to backtrack the > alias, but eww. I think I'd rather find and fix the bugs, assuming > they're straightforward. Yeah. That's ugly. -Kees -- Kees Cook Chrome OS & Brillo Security
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-06-21 18:12 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 269+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2016-06-20 23:43 [PATCH v3 00/13] Virtually mapped stacks with guard pages (x86, core) Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [PATCH v3 01/13] x86/mm/hotplug: Don't remove PGD entries in remove_pagetable() Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [PATCH v3 02/13] x86/cpa: In populate_pgd, don't set the pgd entry until it's populated Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [PATCH v3 03/13] x86/mm: Remove kernel_unmap_pages_in_pgd() and efi_cleanup_page_tables() Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-21 9:53 ` Matt Fleming 2016-06-21 9:53 ` [kernel-hardening] " Matt Fleming 2016-06-21 9:53 ` Matt Fleming 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [PATCH v3 04/13] mm: Track NR_KERNEL_STACK in KiB instead of number of stacks Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-21 9:46 ` Vladimir Davydov 2016-06-21 9:46 ` [kernel-hardening] " Vladimir Davydov 2016-06-21 9:46 ` Vladimir Davydov 2016-06-21 9:46 ` Vladimir Davydov 2016-06-22 7:35 ` Michal Hocko 2016-06-22 7:35 ` [kernel-hardening] " Michal Hocko 2016-06-22 7:35 ` Michal Hocko 2016-06-22 7:35 ` Michal Hocko 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [PATCH v3 05/13] mm: Fix memcg stack accounting for sub-page stacks Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-21 9:54 ` Vladimir Davydov 2016-06-21 9:54 ` [kernel-hardening] " Vladimir Davydov 2016-06-21 9:54 ` Vladimir Davydov 2016-06-21 9:54 ` Vladimir Davydov 2016-06-22 7:38 ` Michal Hocko 2016-06-22 7:38 ` [kernel-hardening] " Michal Hocko 2016-06-22 7:38 ` Michal Hocko 2016-06-22 7:38 ` Michal Hocko 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [PATCH v3 06/13] fork: Add generic vmalloced stack support Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-21 7:30 ` Jann Horn 2016-06-21 7:30 ` [kernel-hardening] " Jann Horn 2016-06-21 7:30 ` Jann Horn 2016-06-21 16:59 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-21 16:59 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-21 16:59 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-21 17:13 ` Kees Cook 2016-06-21 17:13 ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook 2016-06-21 17:13 ` Kees Cook 2016-06-21 17:28 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-21 17:28 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-21 17:28 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-21 18:32 ` [kernel-hardening] " Rik van Riel 2016-06-21 18:32 ` Rik van Riel 2016-06-21 19:44 ` [kernel-hardening] " Arnd Bergmann 2016-06-21 19:44 ` Arnd Bergmann 2016-06-21 19:43 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-21 19:43 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-21 19:43 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-07-11 17:00 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andrey Ryabinin 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [PATCH v3 07/13] x86/die: Don't try to recover from an OOPS on a non-default stack Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [PATCH v3 08/13] x86/dumpstack: When OOPSing, rewind the stack before do_exit Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [PATCH v3 09/13] x86/dumpstack: When dumping stack bytes due to OOPS, start with regs->sp Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [PATCH v3 10/13] x86/dumpstack: Try harder to get a call trace on stack overflow Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [PATCH v3 11/13] x86/dumpstack/64: Handle faults when printing the "Stack:" part of an OOPS Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [PATCH v3 12/13] x86/mm/64: Enable vmapped stacks Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [PATCH v3 13/13] x86/mm: Improve stack-overflow #PF handling Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-20 23:43 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-21 4:01 ` [PATCH v3 00/13] Virtually mapped stacks with guard pages (x86, core) Linus Torvalds 2016-06-21 4:01 ` [kernel-hardening] " Linus Torvalds 2016-06-21 4:01 ` Linus Torvalds 2016-06-21 16:45 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-21 16:45 ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-21 16:45 ` Andy Lutomirski 2016-06-21 17:16 ` Linus Torvalds 2016-06-21 17:16 ` 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