Re: [lm-sensors] sensor 3.3.1 and previous do not properly detect/show CPUTIN temperature - maximus

[Martin Suchanek <martin.suc@googlemail.com>]

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On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 12:41 AM, Guenter Roeck
<guenter.roeck@ericsson.com>wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 07:18:46PM -0400, Martin Suchanek wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Guenter Roeck <
> guenter.roeck@ericsson.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >     On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 03:04:51PM -0400, Martin Suchanek wrote:
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Guenter Roeck <
> >     guenter.roeck@ericsson.com>
> >     > wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 06:08:23AM -0400, Martin Suchanek
> wrote:
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     > On Sat, Apr 28, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Guenter Roeck <
> >     >     guenter.roeck@ericsson.com>
> >     >     > wrote:
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:47:47AM +0100, Martin Suchanek
> >     wrote:
> >     >     >     > Hi,
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     > Add info:
> >     >     >     > I have found software called open hardware monitor. I
> have
> >     been
> >     >     testing
> >     >     >     it
> >     >     >     > in windows for couple of days and it works properly
> with
> >     Nuvoton
> >     >     NST6776F
> >     >     >     > chip. I have been comparing results with AI Suite
> software
> >     coming
> >     >     from
> >     >     >     ASUS
> >     >     >     > and results are corresponding and measuring is with big
> >     precise. So
> >     >     , you
> >     >     >     > can have a look to source code and compare with your
> driver.
> >     This
> >     >     >     software
> >     >     >     > should work on linux as well but I did not try it yet
> but I
> >     will.
> >     >     >     >
> >     >     >     I finally had time to look into the open hardware
> monitor code.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     The answer is quite simple - the board get the CPU
> temperature
> >     using
> >     >     PECI,
> >     >     >     which the w83627ehf/nct67765 driver reports is as "PECI
> Agent
> >     0".
> >     >     >     Open Hardware Monitor maps that temperature into the CPU
> >     temperature
> >     >     >     display
> >     >     >     and ignores CPUTIN. Which makes sense, since the purpose
> of
> >     PECI is
> >     >     to
> >     >     >     report
> >     >     >     the CPU temperature.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >     So all you need to do is to ignore the value of CPUTIN
> and use
> >     the
> >     >     "PECI
> >     >     >     Agent 0"
> >     >     >     temperature instead.
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     >
> >     >     > I am now confused ?
> >     >     > I do not know technical details but according to ASUS
> technical
> >     support
> >     >     > CPUTIN is temperature of motherboard (not cpu socket , not
> cpu
> >     yourself )
> >     >     > what exactly this temperature means ?
> >     >     >
> >     >     From looking into the OHM source, motherboard temperature is
> SYSTIN,
> >     not
> >     >     CPUTIN.
> >     >     Some but not all boards have AUXTIN connected as well. CPUTIN
> does
> >     not seem
> >     >     to be used at all on ASUS boards as far as I can see.
> >     >
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > I am sorry but when I compare my AI Suite monitor (I attached
> picture) (-
> >     60
> >     > Celsius)  with psensor ( - 60 Celsius) => CPUTIN correspond with
> >     motherboard
> >     > temperature and technical support saying the same thing (even if I
> have
> >     to
> >     > admit that according to name convention it should be as you said).
> And
> >     AUXTIN
> >     > has asus motherboard maximus iv extreme - psensor is showing 33.5
> Celsius
> >     - no
> >     > problem with that.
> >
> >     Judging from the OHM source, it looks like some Asus boards have
> AUXTIN
> >     connected,
> >     others don't. -60 degrees C suggests that there is nothing connected
> to the
> >     sensor pin.
> >
> >     > where did you get exactly those information about what is what ?
> Could
> >     you put
> >     > some URL or documentation ?
> >
> >     Open Hardware Monitor source code, http://
> >     open-hardware-monitor.googlecode.com/svn.
> >
> >     I don't see CPUTIN on your screen shot. I only see "CPU" and "CPU
> socket",
> >     but I don't see
> >     anything suggesting that those report the temperature as measured on
> the
> >     CPUTIN pin
> >     of the NCT6776F. To know how the values reported by the AI suite map
> to
> >     board sensors,
> >     it would be necessary to see its source code and/or configuration
> files.
> >
> >     Guenter
> >
> >
> >
> >  Oh, sorry , I did not explain it in all context. Minus 60 Celsius has
> > motherboard in red colour.
> >  On the screenshot there is - 60 celsius temperature which corresponding
> with
> > value as in windows 7 as in linux psensor/lm-sensor as in my bios in
> under
> > certain complicated circumstances :-) That's the one for the reasons why
> I am
> > arguing due to meaning of CPUTIN.
> >  I try to explain - it is more complex:
> > Minus 60 Celsius does not mean that sensor is not connected. It is
> connected
> > because - In 90 percent of my computer working time it is properly
> measuring
> > value by BIOS and AI Suite ... EXCEPT lm-sensor/psensor in Linux - it is
> ALWAYS
> > minus 60 Celsius - this is wrong.
> >  What I am trying to say is that the problem is definitely at first with
> > hardware (this part I am still working on it with asus technical
> support) and
> > at second lm-sensor software in Linux. "Normally" , it is working
> perfectly
> > fine BUT in some very rarely occasions - when computer is running much
> much
> > longer temperature appears as minus 60 Celsius in Windows/BIOS". BUT In
> Linux -
> > it is ALWAYS minus 60 Celsius - it never was different value.
> >  Only CPUTIN temperature has such problem in Linux. The other
> temperatures -
> > SYSTIN , AUXTIN , PECI Agent 0 have been always correct as in Windows as
> in
> > BIOS as in Linux. I have been comparing/inspecting those values more
> than half
> > a year so I am sure about those temperature values :-)
> >
> >   What I am totally confused is the meaning of CPUTIN/SYSTIN - from my
> point of
> > experience you are first person who is saying that CPUTIN is CPU
> temperature
> > and not motherboard temperature which is opposite what ASUS technical
> support
> > saying and further reason which I have mentioned before.
> >   ( :-) So if ASUS technical support is wrong it would be fun to talk
> with ASUS
> > technical support but I have to be absolutely sure about the meaning of
> CPUTIN
> > and SYSTIN :-) )
> >   On many forums - owners of this motherboard are confused like me and I
> did
> > not find any reliable source of information to be sure how is it in real
> ?
> >
> > If I run open hardware monitor in linux - there is no values for
> temperatures -
> > except GPU - but only one instead of two and etc. ... too many
> discrepancies
> > within this software on Linux so I do not trust that it is correct
> measuring
> > (need to contact author later)
> >
> > AI Suite is commercial ASUS software for measuring many usefull "bios"
> > parameters like temperatures/fans/voltages etc. ... but only for
> windows) - so
> > no source code at all - I will try to find some config files.
> > By the way - ASUS is not supporting linux at all and will not be - they
> > confirmed that.
> >
> > Please accept my apology If I explained something bad/wrong way - (I am
> not
> > good in explaination) - let me know for further information.
> >
> Well, for my part I don't think I can help you any further. The driver
> reports
> what it gets from the chip. The driver source is public. If you say that
> the driver
> has a bug, feel free to dig through the driver and try to find it. I'll be
> more
> than happy to accept patches.
>
> Thanks,
> Guenter
>

:-) ok , that will be too many things for me to learn but I will (I made
for the last time software in assembler and C 20 years ago) :-)
Martin

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