From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5770BC433DB for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:56:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from krantz.zx2c4.com (krantz.zx2c4.com [192.95.5.69]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C6B12225E for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:56:45 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 9C6B12225E Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=wireguard-bounces@lists.zx2c4.com Received: by krantz.zx2c4.com (ZX2C4 Mail Server) with ESMTP id 9d55f5d0; Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:44:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-il1-x133.google.com (mail-il1-x133.google.com [2607:f8b0:4864:20::133]) by krantz.zx2c4.com (ZX2C4 Mail Server) with ESMTPS id 97aa5395 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Mon, 4 Jan 2021 21:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-il1-x133.google.com with SMTP id q1so26773383ilt.6 for ; Mon, 04 Jan 2021 13:55:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=EF9Oj6eckIaskbw4tFbG2bw+f0fQtzJHWW5KpMbtvvU=; b=dE3fnJloBG+I6ud69WeCBVen1PRuVS9nJ3D4shWry1P4BFIN+pj+gfDbyVBZw0M4Md 37CvQYyIVjCSvR19uSwfEDUC9C9m1Z2txVIa9RIXszVvXVyP0t5FO5IblzquQ2WelWc2 uayucKCPH/ljpAB/wX6Rp66ecFU0santzdIzt8RjUA54r3W/UOqUqTJK6ucxSY87aXho iCszgyoU5eWdRBzjAZTOQC3+Gx1UEByPSeMuA2LIU4dmd/W5bOah6ucdrXN/pWQL7+6R Yz/d6aT2lF7HGOfL2sNbYW5UKThmWP0Z4K2NbSkDJm8PQAxWTPXHGtL8GuqIivQXYNKN n1cQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:reply-to :from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=EF9Oj6eckIaskbw4tFbG2bw+f0fQtzJHWW5KpMbtvvU=; b=TLUc8DMDkLTdf78Zuh6wrhh8etFcrzGN7ytG1rsnIWVztKY2xQdxiuGT5wcmqzOFj1 hWJ3YZJ0QzUN2plLUcKLbIe5WASVRTAjK25NLdCiskgDHJTXEB9fDjtlLTkK83d3n2N1 zeLisfvAnmtdEEpw9mivjoFYOfFuBJVx0ysf4ssTf309pfyOs4e3JyvpA2Qr4Oij59qI vt8/P0w4/rsU2Y7hJ7wfsFHMz/RT3FPtgZYwOsCzojKdCQUb2tLom750+NVvGH9RPQdb tqO5p7a3rmvGAuLUFakIQYxkcNxLBxIGZ0yrEjhWr0i9AA7vQSUZP39+oum85UGjTBhH HKKg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533KrTCw1n6wx2LF2VsxU9yx2WmEU0J1axszW73Qfn8NvRRwcx++ 8zWYWjiLP3nNLSVP1TN7Y4aOUyJlIJO6EBUFZdKE5jHhQ/U= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwmHNKLjJlJxFw58cDE6kkwD2vnxETv/40ThXvA8sDUxWwDyiwYwE1BnnnOn7ubhCrfLLxTRQw35fzFxCcn9vY= X-Received: by 2002:a92:8495:: with SMTP id y21mr71233057ilk.55.1609797345291; Mon, 04 Jan 2021 13:55:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <176cafeade8.27b6.fd5e59abeac6319e4fe4e8192ea7d08d@solidadmin.com> In-Reply-To: From: Jeffrey Walton Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 16:55:14 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Wireguard not available for CentOS Stream To: "Jason A. Donenfeld" Cc: WireGuard mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: wireguard@lists.zx2c4.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.30rc1 Precedence: list List-Id: Development discussion of WireGuard List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: noloader@gmail.com Errors-To: wireguard-bounces@lists.zx2c4.com Sender: "WireGuard" On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 7:48 AM Jason A. Donenfeld wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 2:24 AM Joe Doss wrote: > > > > https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/jdoss/wireguard/ > > > > The official DKMS install method for CentOS has a Stream repo enabled. It > > should work fine. Let us know if you have any issues. > > It's actually presently broken. I've fixed it in the master branch with: > https://git.zx2c4.com/wireguard-linux-compat/commit/?id=f7f55464a156e1181fa76d9c7e2fc0d495f2357e > > But Red Hat still has not fixed other bugs that will enable our CI to > continue, and I won't release for RHEL alone until the CI is green. > You can cherry pick that into your dkms package if you need. I wrote > Red Hat a patch and sent it, but there's been no updated kernel yet. > > More generally, I'm on the fence about how much I actually want to > support CentOS Stream. CentOS non-Stream is annoying, because it's > developed behind closed doors and is extremely slow to fix things, but > at least the changes are gradual and it's easy to keep up with, by > virtue of rarely changing. In contrast, CentOS Stream is fast moving, > and extremely unstable, with builds frequently breaking. This would be > fine and I would prefer it, since it means we can in theory get things > fixed reasonably fast, but actually, Stream is still developed behind > closed doors, with no visibility about what's going on, no > communication from RH on when fixes are coming out, no regular or > reliable release schedule, no releases for months sometimes, and just > a bugzilla blackbox that forces all reports to be private/secret. So, > unstable+secretive development makes developing for CentOS Stream > nearly as fun as developing for macOS, which is to say, not very fun. >From an admin and developer perspective I find Fedora Server a real gem. Speaking from experience, I would much rather work on Fedora than CentOS or Red Hat. Fedora Server comes with the latest stable tools and does not need things like Software Collections (SCL) to get a modern Apache, Python or PHP. Every year or so Fedora Server needs a DNF System Upgrade (https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/dnf-system-upgrade/), which is like a Ubuntu dist-upgrade. I've not had one go bad since I started using it back around F12 or F15. If Wireguard needs to make a Red Hat-family recommendation, I think it would be wise to consider Fedora Server. Jeff