From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=3.0 tests=DKIMWL_WL_HIGH,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05993C4CECB for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 02:12:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D029120828 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 02:12:06 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=default; t=1568513526; bh=jYf6bGRyPsw4fCQcLGBE2QxZIm6UjUeRveIboApq5TA=; h=References:In-Reply-To:From:Date:Subject:To:Cc:List-ID:From; b=Mqn1ppaSua8ntzIpKsPHcb1Spj07IFLCebYn6qruXRJSzXebKSS64qEYAf2Wfv1nh JOp3MFDrHH6lcK/m2Gwe0jk4Sr+uKdXCntACK8f6NWI/7na4zV6w0bUeSULVE7Kw7p yZnRuG/Z99gpE0AELJ82/Lu9jZwwNk+HvFmfW/Ug= Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727684AbfIOCMG (ORCPT ); Sat, 14 Sep 2019 22:12:06 -0400 Received: from mail-lj1-f196.google.com ([209.85.208.196]:42633 "EHLO mail-lj1-f196.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727262AbfIOCMF (ORCPT ); Sat, 14 Sep 2019 22:12:05 -0400 Received: by mail-lj1-f196.google.com with SMTP id y23so30493545lje.9 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 19:12:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linux-foundation.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=4rYFEB2K43HNknGCuNtqwY11d7jNo13i6prZjBn/RDM=; b=IFLavFfBEECvUaRBp/EiSvd06bt8SLP7qdIU8LhowKpuB244awAuNyT4xXKNmN8XsF qKdO4HiiFlSNQQjo59uVaTwlCPHmxYMbqFjOi4brsClvtwRtIGCqxPsJvahupKarYSzE nprKJDuzUk/SMYuio6GVb4ZLDckKb7XB7gnLc= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=4rYFEB2K43HNknGCuNtqwY11d7jNo13i6prZjBn/RDM=; b=GryDzkHzzFwNJROJDXvc3TedmJyYwxkN0+xpAb4oN41mFkrGj51Z3wijPQhoj6EM1S DtVKWm+pWXEKLpFXCuMpFaZD8WIlJi30kWWXW5C/A/wQJ4JppJEtDIuWyjFNaiuz/cja 5S5bY3oQcfaVHYio9IXPC/7hRXUVCUtA32+FZfJJvFWy2fTN208he0x1odg0YYvLtheJ QZc+apBNkfVm+IVzl7jlUgBTsBErolmiy5ZOpkP8qI1RtXahf7etqSkbOeiPfFIvQCoL xa2VNa6v9up+lkdBYZGTGjMskQODTMMLlZ065z9zOmj6PVWNIBTl8ZkpDKCXvEqxpJJe Awkw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWJLsnGU1+sO40qi+MvkyjSq5MW3s4p03At1jjnrs4pCCL/CPhr OUoQX7THJSNN2YR8QZ/9T/m8gXUsFhc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwrrXACpTeLm/EsqC/4lg6OtbeqILWasHR15ZCn71mD1UC4vcVepZ1Z8384/EtFXgUnB9PgsA== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9881:: with SMTP id b1mr16268902ljj.134.1568513521938; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 19:12:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lj1-f174.google.com (mail-lj1-f174.google.com. [209.85.208.174]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c3sm7909589lfi.32.2019.09.14.19.11.58 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 14 Sep 2019 19:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-f174.google.com with SMTP id a22so30529567ljd.0 for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 19:11:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a2e:814d:: with SMTP id t13mr34727113ljg.72.1568513518572; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 19:11:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20190912034421.GA2085@darwi-home-pc> <20190912082530.GA27365@mit.edu> <20190914150206.GA2270@darwi-home-pc> <20190914211126.GA4355@darwi-home-pc> <20190914222432.GC19710@mit.edu> <20190915010037.GE19710@mit.edu> <20190915020521.GF19710@mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <20190915020521.GF19710@mit.edu> From: Linus Torvalds Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 19:11:42 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Linux 5.3-rc8 To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" Cc: "Ahmed S. Darwish" , Andreas Dilger , Jan Kara , Ray Strode , William Jon McCann , "Alexander E. Patrakov" , zhangjs , linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, Lennart Poettering , lkml Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 7:05 PM Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: > > I'd be willing to let it take at least 2 minutes, since that's slow > enough to be annoying. Have you ever met a real human being? A boot that blocks will result in people pressing the big red button in less than 30 seconds, unless it talks very much about _why_ it blocks and gives an estimate of how long. Please go out and actually interact with real people some day. Linus