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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, x86@kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, luto@kernel.org, bp@alien8.de,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, hpa@zytor.com, mingo@redhat.com,
	juri.lelli@redhat.com, vincent.guittot@linaro.org,
	willy@infradead.org, mgorman@suse.de, rostedt@goodmis.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de, jon.grimm@amd.com, bharata@amd.com,
	raghavendra.kt@amd.com, boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com,
	konrad.wilk@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 7/9] sched: define TIF_ALLOW_RESCHED
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 11:32:32 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=whMkp68vNxVn1H3qe_P7n=X2sWPL9kvW22dsvMFH8FcQQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zg1u1h5t.fsf@oracle.com>

On Sun, 10 Sept 2023 at 03:01, Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com> wrote:
>
> Seems to me that associating an allow_resched flag with the stack also
> has similar issue. Couldn't the context level change while we are on the
> same stack?

On x86-64 no, but in other situations yes.

> I guess the problem is that allow_resched()/disallow_resched() really
> need to demarcate a section of code having some property, but instead
> set up state that has much wider scope.
>
> Maybe code that allows resched can be in a new .section ".text.resched"
> or whatever, and we could use something like this as a check:

Yes. I'm starting to think that that the only sane solution is to
limit cases that can do this a lot, and the "instruciton pointer
region" approach would certainly work.

At the same time I really hate that, because I was hoping we'd be able
to use this to not have so many of those annoying and random
"cond_resched()" calls.

I literally merged another batch of "random stupid crap" an hour ago:
commit 3d7d72a34e05 ("x86/sgx: Break up long non-preemptible delays in
sgx_vepc_release()") literally just adds manual 'cond_resched()' calls
in random places.

I was hoping that we'd have some generic way to deal with this where
we could just say "this thing is reschedulable", and get rid of - or
at least not increasingly add to - the cond_resched() mess.

Of course, that was probably always unrealistic, and those random
cond_resched() calls we just added probably couldn't just be replaced
by "you can reschedule me" simply because the functions quite possibly
end up taking some lock hidden in one of the xa_xyz() functions.

For the _particular_ case of "give me a preemptible big memory copy /
clear", the section model seems fine. It's just that we do have quite
a bit of code where we can end up with long loops that want that
cond_resched() too that I was hoping we'd _also_ be able to solve.

                   Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-10 18:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 214+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-30 18:49 [PATCH v2 0/9] x86/clear_huge_page: multi-page clearing Ankur Arora
2023-08-30 18:49 ` [PATCH v2 1/9] mm/clear_huge_page: allow arch override for clear_huge_page() Ankur Arora
2023-08-30 18:49 ` [PATCH v2 2/9] mm/huge_page: separate clear_huge_page() and copy_huge_page() Ankur Arora
2023-08-30 18:49 ` [PATCH v2 3/9] mm/huge_page: cleanup clear_/copy_subpage() Ankur Arora
2023-09-08 13:09   ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-11 17:22     ` Ankur Arora
2023-08-30 18:49 ` [PATCH v2 4/9] x86/clear_page: extend clear_page*() for multi-page clearing Ankur Arora
2023-09-08 13:11   ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-08-30 18:49 ` [PATCH v2 5/9] x86/clear_page: add clear_pages() Ankur Arora
2023-08-30 18:49 ` [PATCH v2 6/9] x86/clear_huge_page: multi-page clearing Ankur Arora
2023-08-31 18:26   ` kernel test robot
2023-09-08 12:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-13  6:43   ` Raghavendra K T
2023-08-30 18:49 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] sched: define TIF_ALLOW_RESCHED Ankur Arora
2023-09-08  7:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-08 17:15     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-08 22:50       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-09  5:15         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-09  6:39           ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-09  9:11             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-09 20:04               ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-09  5:30       ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-09  9:12         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-09 20:15     ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-09 21:16       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-10  3:48         ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-10  4:35           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-10 10:01             ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-10 18:32               ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2023-09-11 15:04                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-11 16:29                   ` andrew.cooper3
2023-09-11 17:04                   ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-12  8:26                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12 12:24                       ` Phil Auld
2023-09-12 12:33                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-18 23:42                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19  1:57                         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-19  8:03                           ` Ingo Molnar
2023-09-19  8:43                             ` Ingo Molnar
2023-09-19 13:43                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 13:25                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 12:30                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 13:00                             ` Arches that don't support PREEMPT Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-19 13:00                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-19 13:00                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-19 13:34                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-09-19 13:34                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-09-19 13:34                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-09-19 13:37                               ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-09-19 13:37                                 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-09-19 13:37                                 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-09-19 13:42                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-19 13:42                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-19 13:42                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-19 13:48                                   ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-09-19 13:48                                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-09-19 13:48                                     ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-09-19 14:16                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-19 14:16                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-19 14:16                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-19 14:24                                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-09-19 14:24                                         ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-09-19 14:24                                         ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-09-19 14:32                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-19 14:32                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-19 14:32                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-19 15:31                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-19 15:31                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-19 15:31                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-20 14:38                                       ` Anton Ivanov
2023-09-20 14:38                                         ` Anton Ivanov
2023-09-20 14:38                                         ` Anton Ivanov
2023-09-21 12:20                                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-09-21 12:20                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-09-21 12:20                                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2023-09-19 14:17                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 14:17                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 14:17                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 14:50                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2023-09-19 14:50                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2023-09-19 14:50                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2023-09-19 14:57                                         ` Matt Turner
2023-09-19 14:57                                           ` Matt Turner
2023-09-19 14:57                                           ` Matt Turner
2023-09-19 17:09                                         ` Ulrich Teichert
2023-09-19 17:09                                           ` Ulrich Teichert
2023-09-19 17:25                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-19 17:25                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-19 17:25                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-19 17:58                                       ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-09-19 17:58                                         ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-09-19 17:58                                         ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
2023-09-19 18:31                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 18:31                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 18:31                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 18:38                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-19 18:38                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-19 18:38                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-19 18:52                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-19 18:52                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-19 18:52                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-19 19:53                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 19:53                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 19:53                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-20  7:32                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2023-09-20  7:32                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2023-09-20  7:32                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2023-09-20  7:29                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2023-09-20  7:29                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2023-09-20  7:29                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2023-09-20  8:26                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-20  8:26                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-20  8:26                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-20 10:37                                       ` David Laight
2023-09-20 10:37                                         ` David Laight
2023-09-20 10:37                                         ` David Laight
2023-09-19 14:21                                   ` Anton Ivanov
2023-09-19 14:21                                     ` Anton Ivanov
2023-09-19 14:21                                     ` Anton Ivanov
2023-09-19 15:17                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 15:17                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 15:17                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 15:21                                       ` Anton Ivanov
2023-09-19 15:21                                         ` Anton Ivanov
2023-09-19 15:21                                         ` Anton Ivanov
2023-09-19 16:22                                         ` Richard Weinberger
2023-09-19 16:22                                           ` Richard Weinberger
2023-09-19 16:22                                           ` Richard Weinberger
2023-09-19 16:41                                           ` Anton Ivanov
2023-09-19 16:41                                             ` Anton Ivanov
2023-09-19 16:41                                             ` Anton Ivanov
2023-09-19 17:33                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 17:33                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19 17:33                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-06 14:51                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-10-06 14:51                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-09-20 14:22                             ` [PATCH v2 7/9] sched: define TIF_ALLOW_RESCHED Ankur Arora
2023-09-20 20:51                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-21  0:14                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-21  0:58                                 ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-21  2:12                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-20 23:58                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-21  0:57                               ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-21  2:02                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-21  4:16                                   ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-21 13:59                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-21 16:00                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-21 22:55                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-23  1:11                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-02 14:15                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-02 16:13                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-18  1:03                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-18 12:09                                       ` Ankur Arora
2023-10-18 17:51                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-18 22:53                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-18 23:25                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-18 13:16                                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-18 14:31                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-18 17:55                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-18 18:00                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-18 18:13                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-19 12:37                                                 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2023-10-19 17:08                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-18 17:19                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-18 17:41                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-18 17:59                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-18 20:15                                           ` Ankur Arora
2023-10-18 20:42                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-19  0:21                                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-19 19:13                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-20 21:59                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-20 22:56                                               ` Ankur Arora
2023-10-20 23:36                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-21  1:05                                                   ` Ankur Arora
2023-10-21  2:08                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-24 12:15                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-24 18:59                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-09-23 22:50                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-24  0:10                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-24  7:19                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-24  7:55                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-24 10:29                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-25  0:13                               ` Ankur Arora
2023-10-06 13:01                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2023-09-19  7:21                         ` Ingo Molnar
2023-09-19 19:05                         ` Ankur Arora
2023-10-24 14:34                         ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-25  1:49                           ` Steven Rostedt
2023-10-26  7:50                           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2023-10-26 12:48                             ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-11 16:48             ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-11 20:50               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-11 21:16                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-12  7:20                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-12  7:38                     ` Ingo Molnar
2023-09-11 22:20                 ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-11 23:10                   ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-11 23:16                     ` Steven Rostedt
2023-09-12 16:30                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-12  3:27                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-09-12 16:20                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-09-19  3:21   ` Andy Lutomirski
2023-09-19  9:20     ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-09-19  9:49       ` Ingo Molnar
2023-08-30 18:49 ` [PATCH v2 8/9] irqentry: define irqentry_exit_allow_resched() Ankur Arora
2023-09-08 12:42   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-11 17:24     ` Ankur Arora
2023-08-30 18:49 ` [PATCH v2 9/9] x86/clear_huge_page: make clear_contig_region() preemptible Ankur Arora
2023-09-08 12:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-09-03  8:14 ` [PATCH v2 0/9] x86/clear_huge_page: multi-page clearing Mateusz Guzik
2023-09-05 22:14   ` Ankur Arora
2023-09-08  2:18   ` Raghavendra K T
2023-09-05  1:06 ` Raghavendra K T
2023-09-05 19:36   ` Ankur Arora

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