From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426BEC433E0 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 11:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE30233F8 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 11:49:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726803AbhAMLsv (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Jan 2021 06:48:51 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:58874 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726733AbhAMLsu (ORCPT ); Wed, 13 Jan 2021 06:48:50 -0500 Received: from mail-pf1-x42e.google.com (mail-pf1-x42e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::42e]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BEF9C061786; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 03:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pf1-x42e.google.com with SMTP id h10so1056712pfo.9; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 03:48:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ghOdi+UAykLWD4vvRom8GW+W7X9kkjSm+M80at4v8cs=; b=E5C1M14oZgTKM2epjMHwhjKy+MHxWijtl5C986W/OvklnLgQladKjF2HzoEanl1JcJ tj79m3FRoXJJKIER62qytSoQMmT4Rv90kesljEram0gRlS3bUwAoMzghZawp7Y2jyVN+ Q/6YhoF+b76l50McygrRdLCXb3ei5VVlBhaWgwHQY9JJtqzGyJEVJfiXNkB4NokstuwL KlNAl4RGSU5+zYgacKW3ACLhLDuzIONmsTQOMg1o/7Hc7HUmAuLB3/7s2PnOs8DQVjdl XH1sW2x/lrBQ16QcgynRxXa/YTFcLeWwNAIQ6mJZGjR6c779t5f2E6XN01op6Idn2nvv IFGQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ghOdi+UAykLWD4vvRom8GW+W7X9kkjSm+M80at4v8cs=; b=LvQdObpDWVMVMa9SerYLHPg1Z1FyBuJV0zoIeKULb+d5Zfy1+xBvFoZbtviR8I4b/I TjO075ypSfAQNhbkUAccj1I3iM+ZMvG2Knn/Ydi/GrLiI6nYwzDIT0sr4RZWFToBkTBc bYkVoeSYibGh/HLnOOtOHDaNDtQMx1usrjj/JefxCbO4pkKC738lXuZl0tH2z0axeEkq 3srdqT4HssWdMC99kulOoPwVuxOlEPMtJqvk3esaUOaLzl3kL53E6xbECpLFgqUWEC4I q9k/sX6i4i0fLkcjsTq1PPSkMoWrt1rXzZWWfCAmdImneWHd0aq11ahdI6hAZbhtPcU7 DIYg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5326SQ8c6LQynlyB8LVSFBphlHIDLEhh69ZDk1zQkU3+tLPomGaj a5oIs14YrDfA/NfnEEOcsPxeIbNnKDuw3Ab77zQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxxqm2y6TITyZX2Mnvkyi437G/FIp77NR+L/x6XWFbshuVsNnhIbDyhhIDjngyombexLukFSkP6fKTWlYoztx8= X-Received: by 2002:a62:19cc:0:b029:19e:321b:a22e with SMTP id 195-20020a6219cc0000b029019e321ba22emr1781064pfz.73.1610538489892; Wed, 13 Jan 2021 03:48:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Andy Shevchenko Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 13:47:53 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Old platforms: bring out your dead To: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz Cc: Gerhard Pircher , Arnd Bergmann , Linux Kernel Mailing List , linux-m68k , Sparc kernel list , Linux-sh list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-sh@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 4:47 PM John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 1/11/21 4:04 PM, Gerhard Pircher wrote: > There has to be a healthy balance between hobbyist and commercial use. I understand > that from a commercial point of view, it doesn't make much sense to run Linux > on a 30-year-old computer. I have another impression (depending on what you put under "commercial use"). Industrial requirements are to support for 15+ (in some cases 30+) years for hardware. I'm quite sure they don't want to have completely outdated software there either. -- With Best Regards, Andy Shevchenko From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Andy Shevchenko Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 11:47:53 +0000 Subject: Re: Old platforms: bring out your dead Message-Id: List-Id: References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz Cc: Gerhard Pircher , Arnd Bergmann , Linux Kernel Mailing List , linux-m68k , Sparc kernel list , Linux-sh list On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 4:47 PM John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 1/11/21 4:04 PM, Gerhard Pircher wrote: > There has to be a healthy balance between hobbyist and commercial use. I understand > that from a commercial point of view, it doesn't make much sense to run Linux > on a 30-year-old computer. I have another impression (depending on what you put under "commercial use"). Industrial requirements are to support for 15+ (in some cases 30+) years for hardware. I'm quite sure they don't want to have completely outdated software there either. -- With Best Regards, Andy Shevchenko