From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755985Ab3GQPEo (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:04:44 -0400 Received: from mail-pa0-f48.google.com ([209.85.220.48]:39347 "EHLO mail-pa0-f48.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754166Ab3GQPEk (ORCPT ); Wed, 17 Jul 2013 11:04:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20130717144043.GA16513@xanatos> References: <1373932170.28142.24.camel@envy.home> <864nbv9qcm.fsf@void.printf.net> <1373944014.17876.255.camel@gandalf.local.home> <51E4BFA9.1030600@zytor.com> <1373991399.6458.6.camel@gandalf.local.home> <51E59F79.1040903@zytor.com> <20130717144043.GA16513@xanatos> Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 18:04:39 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [ATTEND] How to act on LKML From: Anca Emanuel To: Sarah Sharp Cc: Felipe Contreras , Stefano Stabellini , "H. Peter Anvin" , Steven Rostedt , Chris Ball , Darren Hart , Linus Torvalds , Ingo Molnar , Guenter Roeck , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Dave Jones , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Andrew Morton , stable , ksummit-2013-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Willy Tarreau Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Sarah Sharp: ok, the obvious: there are trolls, and some of them got to you. They are and will try to make you a troll also. ( the evil come to you with "good" intentions ) My advice: stick to technical problems. You are used to start an flamewar. On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Sarah Sharp wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 09:01:02AM -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> I know you think "being nice" is better, but do you actually have any >> evidence for this, or is it just wishful thinking? If you don't have >> hard evidence, then I'd say you have to admit it's simply your >> opinion, and I don't think the most successful software project in >> history should change one if it's core principles simply because *you* >> think it should. > > I haven't shared any "hard evidence" that civility works better in open > source projects, because to do so would be to bring gender politics into > the equation. I don't want to make this into a gendered issue, but > since you want hard numbers, I will. > > Go look at Dreamwidth, the open source Livejournal fork. It has a good > code of conduct, so developers are civil to each other. They encourage > all patch submissions, and take the time to work with people who don't > understand their community rules. > > The result: 75% of their developers are women. If you give a flying > fuck about diversity, and want to attract women to your open source > project, your developers need to be civil, and not verbally abuse each > other. > > Sarah Sharp > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/