Re: [Qemu-devel] [PULL for-2.4 0/7] update ipxe roms, fix efi support

From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
To: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PULL for-2.4 0/7] update ipxe roms, fix efi support
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 12:42:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJSP0QU9F6Bzuxqe3juV2aZx4ATLgj1pRwfz5D87E8PxdT1cfQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55AF6AE7.6050908@redhat.com>

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 07/22/15 11:05, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:58:59AM +0200, Laszlo Ersek wrote:
>>> On 07/21/15 18:10, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 21/07/2015 16:25, Peter Maydell wrote:
>>>> or work
>>>> with others to add upstream maintainers.
>>>
>>> When we can't get the maintainer's attention for our patches, and when
>>> the maintainer tends to rewrite even those patches he more or less
>>> likes, how do you propose we convince him to give *push access* to
>>> random people?
>>>
>>>> I see that Hannes Reinecke
>>>> also has patches on ipxe-devel that look ignored, so Gred and Laszlo
>>>> are not the only ones struggling to get patches upstream into ipxe.
>>>
>>> I've said it several times (on other lists too), and I'll say it again:
>>> ipxe is not an "open process" community project at this point. The last
>>> half year, as Paolo indicated, and as I proved above, has been ample
>>> experience.
>>
>> I understand the frustration with upstream.  Thanks for posting a
>> summary of stranded patch series, it helped explain that.
>>
>> The reason I'm suggesting reaching out to Michael Brown is that the
>> downstream repo will only be an "open process" for us virtualization
>> developers.  It won't have a user community, support, or help improve
>> the situation for non-virtualization developers - all things which
>> matter for a healthy long-term open source project.
>
> All the things upstream ipxe has been lacking for at least half a year
> now, without much indication that it could improve.
>
>> It may be simplest if Gerd maintains a QEMU downstream repository.  I'm
>> not against that.  But let's notify Michael Brown so he has a chance to
>> consider the problem.
>
> If you can reach out to Michael Brown, that would be highly appreciated.
> Personally I lost all hope.

Done.

Stefan