From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59677) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZIBq3-0002Ar-PQ for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 04:26:48 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZIBq2-00047z-QC for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 04:26:47 -0400 Received: from mail-oi0-x22e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22e]:36067) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZIBq2-00047s-LS for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 04:26:46 -0400 Received: by oibn4 with SMTP id n4so160668479oib.3 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 2015 01:26:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <55AFF852.1040605@redhat.com> References: <55AE0821.5040701@redhat.com> <55AE4D60.3000908@redhat.com> <55AE52A3.1060108@redhat.com> <55AE570F.30602@redhat.com> <55AECEB3.4080308@redhat.com> <20150722090554.GB2905@stefanha-thinkpad.redhat.com> <55AF6AE7.6050908@redhat.com> <55AFF852.1040605@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:26:46 +0100 Message-ID: From: Stefan Hajnoczi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PULL for-2.4 0/7] update ipxe roms, fix efi support List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Laszlo Ersek Cc: Peter Maydell , QEMU Developers , Hannes Reinecke , Stefan Hajnoczi , Paolo Bonzini , Gerd Hoffmann On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:08 PM, Laszlo Ersek wrote: > On 07/22/15 13:42, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Laszlo Ersek wrote: >>> On 07/22/15 11:05, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: >>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:58:59AM +0200, Laszlo Ersek wrote: >>>>> On 07/21/15 18:10, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote: >>>>>>> On 21/07/2015 16:25, Peter Maydell wrote: >>>>>> or work >>>>>> with others to add upstream maintainers. >>>>> >>>>> When we can't get the maintainer's attention for our patches, and when >>>>> the maintainer tends to rewrite even those patches he more or less >>>>> likes, how do you propose we convince him to give *push access* to >>>>> random people? >>>>> >>>>>> I see that Hannes Reinecke >>>>>> also has patches on ipxe-devel that look ignored, so Gred and Laszlo >>>>>> are not the only ones struggling to get patches upstream into ipxe. >>>>> >>>>> I've said it several times (on other lists too), and I'll say it again: >>>>> ipxe is not an "open process" community project at this point. The last >>>>> half year, as Paolo indicated, and as I proved above, has been ample >>>>> experience. >>>> >>>> I understand the frustration with upstream. Thanks for posting a >>>> summary of stranded patch series, it helped explain that. >>>> >>>> The reason I'm suggesting reaching out to Michael Brown is that the >>>> downstream repo will only be an "open process" for us virtualization >>>> developers. It won't have a user community, support, or help improve >>>> the situation for non-virtualization developers - all things which >>>> matter for a healthy long-term open source project. >>> >>> All the things upstream ipxe has been lacking for at least half a year >>> now, without much indication that it could improve. >>> >>>> It may be simplest if Gerd maintains a QEMU downstream repository. I'm >>>> not against that. But let's notify Michael Brown so he has a chance to >>>> consider the problem. >>> >>> If you can reach out to Michael Brown, that would be highly appreciated. >>> Personally I lost all hope. >> >> Done. > > Thanks. Looks like you got through. Obviously, that cannot be ascribed > to anything else than blind luck, or a personal relationship from the > past. Ie. things that should not matter in open source. Maybe a bit of both. I sent a link to the email thread via IRC. Stefan