From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93473B5A for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 08:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-io0-f194.google.com (mail-io0-f194.google.com [209.85.223.194]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C320B141 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 08:26:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-io0-f194.google.com with SMTP id d203so13695202iof.2 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 01:26:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1492631703.3217.30.camel@HansenPartnership.com> References: <20188905.kHbMkj7sB6@avalon> <1834084.5qZ8rLimvk@avalon> <1492631703.3217.30.camel@HansenPartnership.com> From: Daniel Vetter Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 10:26:07 +0200 Message-ID: To: James Bottomley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: ksummit , Dave Airlie , Greg Kroah-Hartman , David Miller , Doug Ledford , Ingo Molnar Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] "Maintainer summit" invitation discussion List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 9:55 PM, James Bottomley wrote: > Isn't it easy? The Maintainers summit is going to be part of a larger > kernel track within LinuxCon EU (not that everyone plans on staying > on, of course, but several will be). Just put the bitch at Maintainers > session in that as a round table, so any attendee of LinuxCon EU can > come and complain if they want to. I don't think it's that easy. I guess due to the "interesting" stuff we're doing in drm I get to hear some of the frustration stories from leaf contributors. Picking a conference means you exclude folks who won't go there (and Linux is so huge that there's simply no single conference that would cover it all), but more important a common theme I'm hearing is that frustrated folks don't want to speak up in public, because if they piss of their maintainer, their problems just get worse. On the other hand they lack the power and influence to fix anything, so there's very little upside to speaking up about issues. The usual solution seems to eventually just quietly abandon upstream, or at least the particular subsystem. The other thing is that because Linuxcon has such a wide audience you might just get the peanut gallery kernel bashing from bystanders, not feedback from actual (or at least potential) contributors. Still worth trying I guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's not much coming out of such a feedback session. -Daniel -- Daniel Vetter Software Engineer, Intel Corporation +41 (0) 79 365 57 48 - http://blog.ffwll.ch