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From: Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
To: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>
Cc: Haneen Mohammed <hamohammed.sa@gmail.com>,
	Rodrigo Siqueira <rodrigosiqueiramelo@gmail.com>,
	Neil Armstrong <narmstrong@baylibre.com>,
	DRI Development <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Melissa Wen <melissa.srw@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] drm/vkms: fbdev emulation support
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 09:53:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKMK7uHY_nrB=0-xkWi+FXFosCY1XPVXLJb+mGqDR+GpRZ6C6Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201013091410.06c98a1c@eldfell>

On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 8:14 AM Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:23:35 +0200
> Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 02:40:58PM +0200, Neil Armstrong wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
>
> ...
>
> > > It's weird because it the kernel is misconfigured and no console is specified on the cmdline
> > > this console could become the main console...
> > >
> > > It's a great feature, but couldn't this be a module parameter ?
> >
> > If you have vkms enabled in a distro, you're doing it wrong.
>
> That's really not a great position to take. I would prefer that
> if a random contributor writes a Weston patch and runs 'meson test', it
> will use VKMS to run Weston's DRM-backend tests on his machine
> automatically, maybe save for some seat and device node access
> permissions bits which distributions could be delivering as well.
>
> Just put the VKMS device node into a non-default seat, and Xorg etc.
> will happily ignore it.
>
> For the fbdev device node, I don't know. Maybe a module parameter
> really is a good choice there, defaulting to off. I have no interest in
> testing anything against fbdev, but other people might disagree of
> course.
>
> Why? Gitlab CI is still not running tests for every commit, just per
> MR, and it might even be infeasible too.
>
> I am also hoping for a future where I don't have to build my own kernel
> just to be able to run Weston DRM tests with VKMS. That means I want to
> be able to run my machine with VKMS loaded and active at all times,
> without affecting the normal desktop. I already have such a setup with
> an extra AMD card, but you can't run most KMS tests against real
> hardware drivers.

I just realized that building vkms is no problem, since it doesn't
auto-load. And if our Grand Plans with configurability come true, then
your test-harness will want to do that loading and setup itself
anyway. With that there also shouldn't be any problems with fbcon,
since presumably you already have that bound to the real gpu.

So I think we're all fine here, for everyone.

Now if you built-in vkms, that's a different thing. And for that I
really think a "don't do that" is the right choice.
-Daniel
-- 
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch
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  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-13  7:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-09 23:21 [PATCH 1/3] drm/vkms: Set preferred depth correctly Daniel Vetter
2020-10-09 23:21 ` [PATCH 2/3] drm/vkms: Switch to shmem helpers Daniel Vetter
2020-10-12 10:59   ` Chris Wilson
2020-10-12 11:20     ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-10-12 11:22   ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-10-12 12:41   ` Melissa Wen
2020-10-13 11:10   ` [PATCH] " Daniel Vetter
2020-10-09 23:21 ` [PATCH 3/3] drm/vkms: fbdev emulation support Daniel Vetter
2020-10-12 11:24   ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-10-12 12:40     ` Neil Armstrong
2020-10-12 14:23       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-13  6:14         ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-10-13  7:53           ` Daniel Vetter [this message]
2020-10-13 10:19             ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-10-13 11:03               ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-16 10:10   ` Melissa Wen
2020-10-20  8:34     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-12 11:08 ` [PATCH 1/3] drm/vkms: Set preferred depth correctly Thomas Zimmermann
2020-10-12 12:59 ` Melissa Wen
2020-10-15 21:39   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-16 10:18     ` Melissa Wen
2020-10-16 10:38 ` Simon Ser
2020-10-16 11:35   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-16 17:02     ` Melissa Wen
2020-10-16 17:05       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-17  8:39         ` Melissa Wen
2020-10-17 15:23           ` Daniel Vetter
2020-10-27 10:13     ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-10-27 10:18       ` Daniel Vetter

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