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From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: xfs <linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Darrick J . Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ext4 Developers List <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mmap.2: Add description of MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE and MAP_SYNC
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:00:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKgNAkhsFrcdkXNA2cw3o0gJV0uLRtBg9ybaCe5xy1QBC2PgqA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171101153648.30166-20-jack@suse.cz>

Hello Jan,

I have applied your patch, and tweaked the text a little, and pushed
the result to the git repo.

On 1 November 2017 at 16:36, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> wrote:
> Reviewed-by: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>
> Signed-off-by: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>

I have a question below.

> ---
>  man2/mmap.2 | 35 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
>  1 file changed, 34 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/man2/mmap.2 b/man2/mmap.2
> index 47c3148653be..b38ee6809327 100644
> --- a/man2/mmap.2
> +++ b/man2/mmap.2
> @@ -125,6 +125,21 @@ are carried through to the underlying file.
>  to the underlying file requires the use of
>  .BR msync (2).)
>  .TP
> +.BR MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE " (since Linux 4.15)"
> +The same as
> +.B MAP_SHARED
> +except that
> +.B MAP_SHARED
> +mappings ignore unknown flags in
> +.IR flags .
> +In contrast when creating mapping of
> +.B MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE
> +mapping type, the kernel verifies all passed flags are known and fails the
> +mapping with
> +.BR EOPNOTSUPP
> +otherwise. This mapping type is also required to be able to use some mapping
> +flags.
> +.TP
>  .B MAP_PRIVATE
>  Create a private copy-on-write mapping.
>  Updates to the mapping are not visible to other processes
> @@ -134,7 +149,10 @@ It is unspecified whether changes made to the file after the
>  .BR mmap ()
>  call are visible in the mapped region.
>  .PP
> -Both of these flags are described in POSIX.1-2001 and POSIX.1-2008.
> +.B MAP_SHARED
> +and
> +.B MAP_PRIVATE
> +are described in POSIX.1-2001 and POSIX.1-2008.
>  .PP
>  In addition, zero or more of the following values can be ORed in
>  .IR flags :
> @@ -352,6 +370,21 @@ option.
>  Because of the security implications,
>  that option is normally enabled only on embedded devices
>  (i.e., devices where one has complete control of the contents of user memory).
> +.TP
> +.BR MAP_SYNC " (since Linux 4.15)"
> +This flags is available only with
> +.B MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE
> +mapping type. Mappings of
> +.B MAP_SHARED
> +type will silently ignore this flag.
> +This flag is supported only for files supporting DAX (direct mapping of persistent
> +memory). For other files, creating mapping with this flag results in
> +.B EOPNOTSUPP
> +error. Shared file mappings with this flag provide the guarantee that while
> +some memory is writeably mapped in the address space of the process, it will
> +be visible in the same file at the same offset even after the system crashes or
> +is rebooted. This allows users of such mappings to make data modifications
> +persistent in a more efficient way using appropriate CPU instructions.

It feels like there's a word missing/unclear wording in the previous
line, before "using". Without that word, the sentence feels a bit
ambiguous.

Should it be:

persistent in a more efficient way *through the use of* appropriate
CPU instructions.

or:

persistent in a more efficient way *than using* appropriate CPU instructions.

?

Is suspect the first is correct, but need to check.

Cheers,

Michael


-- 
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/
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From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ext4 Developers List <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	xfs <linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Darrick J . Wong" <darrick.wong@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mmap.2: Add description of MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE and MAP_SYNC
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:00:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKgNAkhsFrcdkXNA2cw3o0gJV0uLRtBg9ybaCe5xy1QBC2PgqA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171101153648.30166-20-jack@suse.cz>

Hello Jan,

I have applied your patch, and tweaked the text a little, and pushed
the result to the git repo.

On 1 November 2017 at 16:36, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> wrote:
> Reviewed-by: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler@linux.intel.com>
> Signed-off-by: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>

I have a question below.

> ---
>  man2/mmap.2 | 35 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
>  1 file changed, 34 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/man2/mmap.2 b/man2/mmap.2
> index 47c3148653be..b38ee6809327 100644
> --- a/man2/mmap.2
> +++ b/man2/mmap.2
> @@ -125,6 +125,21 @@ are carried through to the underlying file.
>  to the underlying file requires the use of
>  .BR msync (2).)
>  .TP
> +.BR MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE " (since Linux 4.15)"
> +The same as
> +.B MAP_SHARED
> +except that
> +.B MAP_SHARED
> +mappings ignore unknown flags in
> +.IR flags .
> +In contrast when creating mapping of
> +.B MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE
> +mapping type, the kernel verifies all passed flags are known and fails the
> +mapping with
> +.BR EOPNOTSUPP
> +otherwise. This mapping type is also required to be able to use some mapping
> +flags.
> +.TP
>  .B MAP_PRIVATE
>  Create a private copy-on-write mapping.
>  Updates to the mapping are not visible to other processes
> @@ -134,7 +149,10 @@ It is unspecified whether changes made to the file after the
>  .BR mmap ()
>  call are visible in the mapped region.
>  .PP
> -Both of these flags are described in POSIX.1-2001 and POSIX.1-2008.
> +.B MAP_SHARED
> +and
> +.B MAP_PRIVATE
> +are described in POSIX.1-2001 and POSIX.1-2008.
>  .PP
>  In addition, zero or more of the following values can be ORed in
>  .IR flags :
> @@ -352,6 +370,21 @@ option.
>  Because of the security implications,
>  that option is normally enabled only on embedded devices
>  (i.e., devices where one has complete control of the contents of user memory).
> +.TP
> +.BR MAP_SYNC " (since Linux 4.15)"
> +This flags is available only with
> +.B MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE
> +mapping type. Mappings of
> +.B MAP_SHARED
> +type will silently ignore this flag.
> +This flag is supported only for files supporting DAX (direct mapping of persistent
> +memory). For other files, creating mapping with this flag results in
> +.B EOPNOTSUPP
> +error. Shared file mappings with this flag provide the guarantee that while
> +some memory is writeably mapped in the address space of the process, it will
> +be visible in the same file at the same offset even after the system crashes or
> +is rebooted. This allows users of such mappings to make data modifications
> +persistent in a more efficient way using appropriate CPU instructions.

It feels like there's a word missing/unclear wording in the previous
line, before "using". Without that word, the sentence feels a bit
ambiguous.

Should it be:

persistent in a more efficient way *through the use of* appropriate
CPU instructions.

or:

persistent in a more efficient way *than using* appropriate CPU instructions.

?

Is suspect the first is correct, but need to check.

Cheers,

Michael


-- 
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/

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From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Jan Kara <jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: xfs <linux-xfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-nvdimm-hn68Rpc1hR1g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org,
	Linux API <linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Darrick J . Wong"
	<darrick.wong-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Ext4 Developers List
	<linux-ext4-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mmap.2: Add description of MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE and MAP_SYNC
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 15:00:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKgNAkhsFrcdkXNA2cw3o0gJV0uLRtBg9ybaCe5xy1QBC2PgqA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171101153648.30166-20-jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>

Hello Jan,

I have applied your patch, and tweaked the text a little, and pushed
the result to the git repo.

On 1 November 2017 at 16:36, Jan Kara <jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Reviewed-by: Ross Zwisler <ross.zwisler-VuQAYsv1563Yd54FQh9/CA@public.gmane.org>
> Signed-off-by: Jan Kara <jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>

I have a question below.

> ---
>  man2/mmap.2 | 35 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
>  1 file changed, 34 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/man2/mmap.2 b/man2/mmap.2
> index 47c3148653be..b38ee6809327 100644
> --- a/man2/mmap.2
> +++ b/man2/mmap.2
> @@ -125,6 +125,21 @@ are carried through to the underlying file.
>  to the underlying file requires the use of
>  .BR msync (2).)
>  .TP
> +.BR MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE " (since Linux 4.15)"
> +The same as
> +.B MAP_SHARED
> +except that
> +.B MAP_SHARED
> +mappings ignore unknown flags in
> +.IR flags .
> +In contrast when creating mapping of
> +.B MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE
> +mapping type, the kernel verifies all passed flags are known and fails the
> +mapping with
> +.BR EOPNOTSUPP
> +otherwise. This mapping type is also required to be able to use some mapping
> +flags.
> +.TP
>  .B MAP_PRIVATE
>  Create a private copy-on-write mapping.
>  Updates to the mapping are not visible to other processes
> @@ -134,7 +149,10 @@ It is unspecified whether changes made to the file after the
>  .BR mmap ()
>  call are visible in the mapped region.
>  .PP
> -Both of these flags are described in POSIX.1-2001 and POSIX.1-2008.
> +.B MAP_SHARED
> +and
> +.B MAP_PRIVATE
> +are described in POSIX.1-2001 and POSIX.1-2008.
>  .PP
>  In addition, zero or more of the following values can be ORed in
>  .IR flags :
> @@ -352,6 +370,21 @@ option.
>  Because of the security implications,
>  that option is normally enabled only on embedded devices
>  (i.e., devices where one has complete control of the contents of user memory).
> +.TP
> +.BR MAP_SYNC " (since Linux 4.15)"
> +This flags is available only with
> +.B MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE
> +mapping type. Mappings of
> +.B MAP_SHARED
> +type will silently ignore this flag.
> +This flag is supported only for files supporting DAX (direct mapping of persistent
> +memory). For other files, creating mapping with this flag results in
> +.B EOPNOTSUPP
> +error. Shared file mappings with this flag provide the guarantee that while
> +some memory is writeably mapped in the address space of the process, it will
> +be visible in the same file at the same offset even after the system crashes or
> +is rebooted. This allows users of such mappings to make data modifications
> +persistent in a more efficient way using appropriate CPU instructions.

It feels like there's a word missing/unclear wording in the previous
line, before "using". Without that word, the sentence feels a bit
ambiguous.

Should it be:

persistent in a more efficient way *through the use of* appropriate
CPU instructions.

or:

persistent in a more efficient way *than using* appropriate CPU instructions.

?

Is suspect the first is correct, but need to check.

Cheers,

Michael


-- 
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-12 13:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 161+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-01 15:36 [PATCH 0/18 v6] dax, ext4, xfs: Synchronous page faults Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36 ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36 ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36 ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36 ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36 ` [PATCH 01/18] mm: introduce MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE, a mechanism to safely define new mmap flags Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-22 12:02   ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-11-22 12:02     ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-11-22 12:02     ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-11-22 12:02     ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-11-22 16:52     ` Dan Williams
2017-11-22 16:52       ` Dan Williams
2017-11-22 16:52       ` Dan Williams
2017-11-22 19:53       ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-11-22 19:53         ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-11-22 19:53         ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-11-22 19:53         ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-11-25 18:45         ` Helge Deller
2017-11-25 18:45           ` Helge Deller
2017-11-27 15:55           ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-11-27 15:55             ` Vlastimil Babka
2017-11-01 15:36 ` [PATCH 02/18] mm: Remove VM_FAULT_HWPOISON_LARGE_MASK Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36 ` [PATCH 03/18] dax: Simplify arguments of dax_insert_mapping() Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36 ` [PATCH 04/18] dax: Factor out getting of pfn out of iomap Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36 ` [PATCH 05/18] dax: Create local variable for VMA in dax_iomap_pte_fault() Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36 ` [PATCH 06/18] dax: Create local variable for vmf->flags & FAULT_FLAG_WRITE test Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36 ` [PATCH 07/18] dax: Inline dax_insert_mapping() into the callsite Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36 ` [PATCH 08/18] dax: Inline dax_pmd_insert_mapping() " Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36 ` [PATCH 09/18] dax: Fix comment describing dax_iomap_fault() Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36 ` [PATCH 10/18] dax: Allow dax_iomap_fault() to return pfn Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36 ` [PATCH 11/18] dax: Allow tuning whether dax_insert_mapping_entry() dirties entry Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36 ` [PATCH 12/18] mm: Define MAP_SYNC and VM_SYNC flags Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36 ` [PATCH 13/18] dax, iomap: Add support for synchronous faults Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36 ` [PATCH 14/18] dax: Implement dax_finish_sync_fault() Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36 ` [PATCH 15/18] ext4: Simplify error handling in ext4_dax_huge_fault() Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36 ` [PATCH 16/18] ext4: Support for synchronous DAX faults Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36 ` [PATCH 17/18] xfs: Implement xfs_filemap_pfn_mkwrite() using __xfs_filemap_fault() Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-14  2:19   ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-11-14  2:19     ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-11-14  2:19     ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-11-14  2:19     ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-11-01 15:36 ` [PATCH 18/18] xfs: support for synchronous DAX faults Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-14  2:19   ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-11-14  2:19     ` Darrick J. Wong
2017-11-01 15:36 ` [PATCH] mmap.2: Add description of MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE and MAP_SYNC Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2017-11-01 15:36   ` Jan Kara
2018-04-12 13:00   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) [this message]
2018-04-12 13:00     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2018-04-12 13:00     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2018-04-12 14:00     ` Ross Zwisler
2018-04-12 14:00       ` Ross Zwisler
2018-04-12 14:22     ` Jan Kara
2018-04-12 14:22       ` Jan Kara
2018-04-12 14:22       ` Jan Kara
2018-04-12 18:20       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2018-04-12 18:20         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2018-04-12 18:20         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2018-04-13 11:17         ` Jan Kara
2018-04-13 11:17           ` Jan Kara
2018-04-13 11:17           ` Jan Kara
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-10-24 15:23 [PATCH 0/17 v5] dax, ext4, xfs: Synchronous page faults Jan Kara
2017-10-24 15:24 ` [PATCH] mmap.2: Add description of MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE and MAP_SYNC Jan Kara
2017-10-24 15:24   ` Jan Kara
2017-10-24 15:24   ` Jan Kara
2017-10-24 15:24   ` Jan Kara
2017-10-24 15:24   ` Jan Kara
2017-10-24 21:10   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-10-24 21:10     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-10-24 21:10     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-10-26 13:24     ` Jan Kara
2017-10-26 13:24       ` Jan Kara
2017-10-26 13:24       ` Jan Kara
2017-10-26 18:22       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-10-26 18:22         ` Ross Zwisler
2017-10-26 18:22         ` Ross Zwisler
2017-10-26 18:22         ` Ross Zwisler
2017-10-19 12:57 [PATCH 0/17 v4] dax, ext4, xfs: Synchronous page faults Jan Kara
2017-10-19 12:58 ` [PATCH] mmap.2: Add description of MAP_SHARED_VALIDATE and MAP_SYNC Jan Kara
2017-10-19 12:58   ` Jan Kara
2017-10-19 12:58   ` Jan Kara
2017-10-19 12:58   ` Jan Kara
2017-10-19 12:58   ` Jan Kara
2017-10-20 21:47   ` Ross Zwisler
2017-10-20 21:47     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-10-20 21:47     ` Ross Zwisler
2017-10-24 13:27     ` Jan Kara
2017-10-24 13:27       ` Jan Kara
2017-10-24 13:27       ` Jan Kara
2017-10-24 14:55       ` Ross Zwisler
2017-10-24 14:55         ` Ross Zwisler
2017-10-24 14:55         ` Ross Zwisler

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