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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: Rethinking sigcontext's xfeatures slightly for PKRU's benefit?
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 15:16:32 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrUGEwZAL8oO8956z9CY_CLg1Bt07KnU-7WhjukK6H0dXg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFwU7cjSTB3Yk7S1Bcfo244WS9cm==WXZZcN3ZAs+J2jug@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 2:28 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net> wrote:
>>
>> Apps that don't want to use the baseline_pkru mechanism could use
>> syscalls to claim ownership of protection keys but then manage them
>> purely with WRPKRU directly.  We could optionally disallow
>> mprotect_key on keys that weren't allocated in advance.
>>
>> Does that seem sane?
>
> So everything seems sane except for the need for that baseline_pkru.
>
> I'm not seeing why it couldn't just be a fixed value. Is there any
> real downside to it?

Yes, I think.  If I'm using protection keys to protect some critical
data structure (important stuff in shared memory, important memory
mapped files, pmem, etc), then I'll allocate a protection key and set
PKRU to deny writes.  The problem is that I really, really want writes
denied except when explicitly enabled in narrow regions of code that
use wrpkru to enable them, and I don't want an asynchronous signal
delivered in those narrow regions of code or newly cloned threads to
pick up the write-allow value.  So I want baseline_pkru to have the
deny writes entry.

I think I would do exactly this in my production code here if my
server supported it.  Some day...

Hrm.  We might also want an option to change pkru and/or baseline_pkru
in all threads in the current mm.  That's optional but it could be
handy.  Maybe it would be as simple as having the allocate-a-pkey call
have an option to set an initial baseline value and an option to
propagate that initial value to pre-existing threads.

--Andy

  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-18 23:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-18  1:48 Rethinking sigcontext's xfeatures slightly for PKRU's benefit? Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-18  2:13 ` Dave Hansen
2015-12-18  2:32   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-18  2:52     ` Dave Hansen
2015-12-18  5:29       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-18  6:43         ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-12-18 16:04           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-18 16:56             ` Dave Hansen
2015-12-18 18:42             ` Dave Hansen
2015-12-18 19:21               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-18 20:07                 ` Dave Hansen
2015-12-18 20:28                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-18 20:37                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-18 20:49                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-18 20:58                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-12-18 21:02                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-18 21:08                           ` Dave Hansen
2015-12-18 21:04                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-18 21:09                         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-18 21:12                         ` Dave Hansen
2015-12-18 21:45                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-18 22:28                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-18 23:08                               ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-18 23:16                                 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2015-12-18 23:20                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-21 17:04                                   ` Dave Hansen
2015-12-21 22:52                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-21 23:00                                       ` Dave Hansen
2015-12-21 23:02                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-21 23:05                                           ` Dave Hansen
2015-12-21 23:04                               ` Dave Hansen
2015-12-21 23:07                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-06-30 17:36                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-06-30 21:25                                     ` Dave Hansen
2016-07-01 16:30                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-29 23:48                             ` Dave Hansen
2015-12-18  8:32         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-12-18  8:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-12-18 12:57   ` Borislav Petkov
2016-01-12 13:38     ` Ingo Molnar
2016-01-12 13:42       ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-01-13 10:48         ` Ingo Molnar

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