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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Sami Tolvanen <samitolvanen@google.com>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	Sedat Dilek <sedat.dilek@gmail.com>,
	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	clang-built-linux <clang-built-linux@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 05/15] x86: Implement function_nocfi
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:19:14 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrWUS52tzLNiWL5sAVVB5-ko1EW73-TEiO=eZ5jF_QyGPQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202104161601.CFB2CCF84F@keescook>

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 4:40 PM Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> wrote:
>

> > 1. I defined a function in asm.  I want to tell clang that this
> > function is defined in asm, and for clang to behave accordingly:
> >
> > .globl func
> > func:
> >  ; do stuff
> >
> > later:
> >
> > extern void func(void) [something here];
> >
> > There really should be a way to write this correctly such that it
> > works regardless of the setting of
> > -fsanitize-cfi-canonical-jump-tables.  This should not bypass CFI.  It
> > should *work*, with CFI enforced.  If I read all the various things
> > you linked correctly, this would be something like __cfi_noncanonical,
> > and I reserve the right to think that this is a horrible name.
>
> Yes, I find the name confusing too. Without noncanonical, we'd need
> C call wrappers for every single .S function that had its address
> taken. This is very common in crypto, for example. That level of extra
> code seemed like a total non-starter. Instead, we just get a few places
> we have to mark.

The patch you linked doesn't have a noncanonical attribute, though.
So I'm not sure how to reliably call into asm from C.

(The more I think about it, the less I like "canonical".  What is
"canonical"?  The symbol?  The function body?  Something else?)

>
> > 2. I need a raw function pointer, thank you very much.  I would like
> > to be honest about it, and I don't really want to bypass CFI, but I
> > need the actual bits in the actual symbol.
> >
> > translation unit 1 defines func.  Maybe it's C with
> > -fsanitize-cfi-canonical-jump-tables, maybe it's C with
> > -fno-sanitize-cfi-canonical-jump-tables or however it's spelled, and
> > maybe it's plain asm.  Now translation unit 2 does:
> >
> > 2a. Uses a literal symbol, because it's going to modify function text
> > or poke an MSR or whatever:
> >
> > wrmsrl(MSR_WHATEVER, func);
> >
> > clang needs to give us *some* way to have a correct declaration of
> > func such that we can, without resorting to inline asm kludges, get
> > the actual bit pattern of the actual symbol.
>
> We don't want version of a global symbol alias of func that points to
> the function body, though; it's only very specific cases where this
> should be stripped (MSR, ftrace, etc).
>
> So, if there were some Clang-specific syntax for this, it would still be
> used on a case-by-case basis. It would still be something like:
>
> wrmsrl(MSR_WAT, __builtin_gimme_body_p(func));
>

> Okay, you're saying you want __builtin_gimme_body_p() to be a constant
> expression for the compiler, not inline asm?

Yes.

I admit that, in the trivial case where the asm code is *not* a
C-ABI-compliant function, giving a type that doesn't fool the compiler
into thinking that it might be is probably the best fix.  Maybe we
should standardize something, e.g.:

struct raw_symbol;  /* not defined anywhere */
#define DECLARE_RAW_SYMBOL(x) struct raw_symbol x[]

and then we write this:

DECLARE_RAW_SYMBOL(entry_SYSCALL_64);

wrmsrl(..., (unsigned long)entry_SYSCALL_64);

It would be a bit nifty if we didn't need a forward declaration, but
I'm not immediately seeing a way to do this without hacks that we'll
probably regret;

But this doesn't help the case in which the symbol is an actual
C-callable function and we want to be able to call it, too.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-04-17 23:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-16 20:38 [PATCH 00/15] x86: Add support for Clang CFI Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 01/15] objtool: Find a destination for jumps beyond the section end Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-20 18:14   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-04-20 20:25     ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-20 22:55       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-04-20 22:58         ` Nick Desaulniers
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 02/15] objtool: Add CONFIG_CFI_CLANG support Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-20 19:47   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2021-04-20 20:45     ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 03/15] objtool: Add ASM_STACK_FRAME_NON_STANDARD Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 04/15] static_call: Use global functions for the self-test Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 21:37   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-17  0:16     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 05/15] x86: Implement function_nocfi Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 21:18   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-16 21:49     ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 22:02       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-16 22:06         ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-04-16 22:14           ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-16 22:20             ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-04-16 22:37               ` Kees Cook
2021-04-16 23:02                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-17 10:16                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-19 15:13                     ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 22:28           ` Kees Cook
2021-04-16 22:52             ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-04-16 22:58               ` Kees Cook
2021-04-16 23:40               ` Kees Cook
2021-04-17 23:19                 ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2021-04-17 23:53                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-18  0:11                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-04-18 16:17                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-18 22:57                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-04-19 15:20                           ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-19 15:26                       ` David Laight
2021-04-19 17:46                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-04-17 14:20             ` David Laight
2021-04-17 15:48               ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-04-19  8:40             ` Rasmus Villemoes
2021-04-19 16:45               ` Joao Moreira
2021-04-19 21:52               ` David Laight
2021-04-16 22:16         ` Kees Cook
2021-04-16 22:13       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 06/15] x86: Avoid CFI jump tables in IDT and entry points Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 22:26   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-16 23:56     ` Kees Cook
2021-04-17  0:02       ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 07/15] x86/ftrace: Use function_nocfi in MCOUNT_ADDR Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 08/15] x86/extable: Do not mark exception callback as CFI Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 09/15] x86/alternatives: Use C int3 selftest but disable KASAN Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-17 11:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-19 15:26     ` Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-20  7:19       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 10/15] x86/purgatory: Disable CFI Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 11/15] x86, relocs: Ignore __typeid__ relocations Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 12/15] x86, module: " Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 13/15] x86, cpu: Use LTO for cpu.c with CFI Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 14/15] x86, kprobes: Fix optprobe_template_func type mismatch Sami Tolvanen
2021-04-16 20:38 ` [PATCH 15/15] x86, build: Allow CONFIG_CFI_CLANG to be selected Sami Tolvanen

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