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From: David Carrillo-Cisneros <davidcc@google.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>,
	"Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Vikas Shivappa <vikas.shivappa@linux.intel.com>,
	"Shivappa, Vikas" <vikas.shivappa@intel.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"hpa@zytor.com" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"mingo@kernel.org" <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Shankar, Ravi V" <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>,
	"Yu, Fenghua" <fenghua.yu@intel.com>,
	"Kleen, Andi" <andi.kleen@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] x86/cqm: Cqm requirements
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 17:53:23 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALcN6miebWcuLYcA19CN88bJ1pT8zRksFm-f3KFvQcemkqJa8Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1703101523230.3681@nanos>

>
> Fine. So we need this for ONE particular use case. And if that is not well
> documented including the underlying mechanics to analyze the data then this
> will be a nice source of confusion for Joe User.
>
> I still think that this can be done differently while keeping the overhead
> small.
>
> You look at this from the existing perf mechanics which require high
> overhead context switching machinery. But that's just wrong because that's
> not how the cache and bandwidth monitoring works.
>
> Contrary to the other perf counters, CQM and MBM are based on a context
> selectable set of counters which do not require readout and reconfiguration
> when the switch happens.
>
> Especially with CAT in play, the context switch overhead is there already
> when CAT partitions need to be switched. So switching the RMID at the same
> time is basically free, if we are smart enough to do an equivalent to the
> CLOSID context switch mechanics and ideally combine both into a single MSR
> write.
>
> With that the low overhead periodic sampling can read N counters which are
> related to the monitored set and provide N separate results. For bandwidth
> the aggregation is a simple ADD and for cache residency it's pointless.
>
> Just because perf was designed with the regular performance counters in
> mind (way before that CQM/MBM stuff came around) does not mean that we
> cannot change/extend that if it makes sense.
>
> And looking at the way Cache/Bandwidth allocation and monitoring works, it
> makes a lot of sense. Definitely more than shoving it into the current mode
> of operandi with duct tape just because we can.
>

You made a point. The use case I described can be better served with
the low overhead monitoring groups that Fenghua is working on. Then
that info can be merged with the per-CPU profile collected for non-RDT
events.

I am ok removing the perf-like CPU filtering from the requirements.

Thanks,
David

  reply	other threads:[~2017-03-11  1:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-07 17:49 [PATCH 1/1] x86/cqm: Cqm requirements Vikas Shivappa
2017-03-07 19:31 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-03-07 20:04   ` Luck, Tony
2017-03-07 20:22     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-03-07 23:29     ` Stephane Eranian
2017-03-07 23:31       ` Shivappa Vikas
2017-03-08  8:30       ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-03-08 17:58         ` David Carrillo-Cisneros
2017-03-09 11:01           ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-03-09 18:05             ` David Carrillo-Cisneros
2017-03-10 14:53               ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-03-11  1:53                 ` David Carrillo-Cisneros [this message]
2017-03-13 19:10                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-03-13 19:58                     ` David Carrillo-Cisneros
2017-03-13 20:21                       ` Thomas Gleixner

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