From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Authentication-Results: lists.ozlabs.org; spf=pass (mailfrom) smtp.mailfrom=gmail.com (client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33; helo=mail-yb1-xb33.google.com; envelope-from=jandraara@gmail.com; receiver=) Authentication-Results: lists.ozlabs.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com Authentication-Results: lists.ozlabs.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key; unprotected) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.b="XGWZ6eQD"; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from mail-yb1-xb33.google.com (mail-yb1-xb33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b33]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by lists.ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45FJbG48dBzDqVJ for ; Fri, 31 May 2019 06:10:02 +1000 (AEST) Received: by mail-yb1-xb33.google.com with SMTP id x32so94029ybh.1 for ; Thu, 30 May 2019 13:10:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HkdcoAXghpojA0zAHmbeOdsLdrj5PqbhMGaW9me48wU=; b=XGWZ6eQD++8AaNr1hZo8eK4eMLuW7fz0ARRj5/PmB1zX2UK9bYAEXqw0F+UXXYKzLB OeeBIlu6JnhfY7VRiiSeb5pnDOFm25NaajV/DGVRV5CGBwsVCPBiDAdpcOrHk69mLU2e Vh2v5W2djQqcpgRTzfYfFeCN/9CpldwczDiYwsXLn4Xw73XT3a8HV/lobDUwbHO8bk16 emt91y8r3qZKXzvmqk2hcrYuiEF5umZi4uOBLn9IgIHV/QcWs6YeunZxn/vo39Wbx8xK TbCIdhJvlBTYaINQSHqe44r2L3SnOAKhc8xuwCJRfUO1tAq5wOtydPQ7ypyiDwaBGMZT IMGQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HkdcoAXghpojA0zAHmbeOdsLdrj5PqbhMGaW9me48wU=; b=mtCzIRAtPzrFKqjfKcbvT0uc/yP6EY+yrxZnCnqEM72BiH5ga7HluOTOLKKMWshlwe tNqf6MbYsTRwwRw5c4WP+XDLQ7dofkIhfT32o/m8bu9POV+9Tq9ZhdYXWuSkW7rk79xP hQs+oGB6DZLAQ4DSyjyXlrXvPeEXR3FK4Y/cd9MKLKM8CUzXtGGJuxF61KT5B9cw6zPE ef3MdCQ4oSdyajqlA5ZUhpvEiR+5yCZ1NMM453YY53GZEZ51CPbI9mirL3WhNWeUhnxB Tprjwjn1Wz15aDVG8lT8grW9MNUplOYMoUKZ//eLeFK4EFqQ/NBsKTR3almLn9JyU+Vx acmQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUuJ0ZtBR/s4DO3bmDS7Xm2WA03cax01ur5gCuoa1BYJNnZjUQL fN4Lc00/SgwVpf6Rw8opUBZtJhc8+/Il1Gjk4i0c5tHOocA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyBc05BzTSkg5yQ7s7P9bVCPxDl/kExc2120I1PZ3kvBctnCrtbZvTYWtu2cRChSmq1UmjZ7YE17y3AX6HyXUI= X-Received: by 2002:a25:358b:: with SMTP id c133mr2665486yba.296.1559246998075; Thu, 30 May 2019 13:09:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0f690b187399475fa1737b848c601a14@Eltsrv03.Eltan.local> In-Reply-To: <0f690b187399475fa1737b848c601a14@Eltsrv03.Eltan.local> From: Jandra A Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 15:09:47 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: webui: setting Boot.Mode and Boot.Source To: Wim Vervoorn Cc: "openbmc@lists.ozlabs.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000724efc058a207bb2" X-BeenThere: openbmc@lists.ozlabs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Development list for OpenBMC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 May 2019 20:10:03 -0000 --000000000000724efc058a207bb2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Wim, I don=E2=80=99t think it is suitable for us to co-create the GUI. We are > definitely not GUI experts. > > > > What is important for us is that the user can access the possibilities of > the BMC using the GUI. Another thing that is of importance is that the GU= I > is configurable. A specific implementation may not support all OpenBMC > features. It should be possible to disable them in the GUI. > No need to worry about not being GUI experts. We would love to work with you to better understand the things you think are important in the GUI and how you envision them working, no need to think about exactly how that translates to a GUI -- we can propose on that end. The important thing is to understand how you and users think of features and how you use them so that we can design for that. For example, when you say 'possibilities' and 'configurable', what are you referring to? What things do you think would need to be disabled and when? Ideally the GUI should have a way to detect support and enable and disable > the support dynamically. The possibility to do this using variables durin= g > build time is also a good alternative. > Is this for what you are referring to above with some features being disabled in the GUI? Basically the schedule for the boot option implementation surprises me. To > me the implementation seems fairly simple and if a GUI is supported this = is > one of the things that is important to the user. > Can you give more clarity on this? Are you saying the ability to do a single one-time boot for a 'next reboot' is important to the user? If so, why is it important? Best, Jandra A On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 3:26 AM Wim Vervoorn wrote: > Hello Jandra, > > > > I am sorry for the late response. > > > > I don=E2=80=99t think it is suitable for us to co-create the GUI. We are > definitely not GUI experts. > > > > What is important for us is that the user can access the possibilities of > the BMC using the GUI. Another thing that is of importance is that the GU= I > is configurable. A specific implementation may not support all OpenBMC > features. It should be possible to disable them in the GUI. > > > > Ideally the GUI should have a way to detect support and enable and disabl= e > the support dynamically. The possibility to do this using variables durin= g > build time is also a good alternative. > > > > Basically the schedule for the boot option implementation surprises me. T= o > me the implementation seems fairly simple and if a GUI is supported this = is > one of the things that is important to the user. > > > > Best Regards, > > Wim Vervoorn > > > > Eltan B.V. > > Ambachtstraat 23 > > 5481 SM Schijndel > > The Netherlands > > > > T : +31-(0)73-594 46 64 > > E : wvervoorn@eltan.com > > W : http://www.eltan.com > > > > > > "THIS MESSAGE CONTAINS CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION. UNLESS YOU ARE THE > INTENDED RECIPIENT OF THIS MESSAGE, ANY USE OF THIS MESSAGE IS STRICTLY > PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS MESSAGE IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATEL= Y > NOTIFY THE SENDER BY TELEPHONE +31-(0)73-5944664 OR REPLY EMAIL, AND > IMMEDIATELY DELETE THIS MESSAGE AND ALL COPIES." > > > > *From:* Jandra A [mailto:jandraara@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Monday, May 20, 2019 11:33 PM > *To:* Wim Vervoorn > *Cc:* openbmc@lists.ozlabs.org > *Subject:* Re: webui: setting Boot.Mode and Boot.Source > > > > Hello Wim, > > > > I believe it is scheduled for October 2019. Would you be interested in > providing feedback and co-creating the GUI design? We can schedule a 30 > minute conversation to review the current design proposal and talk about > how it can be improved to best meet your needs. > > > > Regards, > > Jandra Aranguren > > > > On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 6:15 AM Wim Vervoorn wrote: > > Hello Jandra, > > > > Thanks for the reply. I had a look, this is exactly what I am looking for= . > Do you know when this is scheduled to be included in the WebUI? > > > > Best Regards, > > Wim Vervoorn > > > > Eltan B.V. > > Ambachtstraat 23 > > 5481 SM Schijndel > > The Netherlands > > > > T : +31-(0)73-594 46 64 > > E : wvervoorn@eltan.com > > W : http://www.eltan.com > > > > > > "THIS MESSAGE CONTAINS CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION. UNLESS YOU ARE THE > INTENDED RECIPIENT OF THIS MESSAGE, ANY USE OF THIS MESSAGE IS STRICTLY > PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS MESSAGE IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATEL= Y > NOTIFY THE SENDER BY TELEPHONE +31-(0)73-5944664 OR REPLY EMAIL, AND > IMMEDIATELY DELETE THIS MESSAGE AND ALL COPIES." > > > > *From:* Jandra A [mailto:jandraara@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:27 PM > *To:* Wim Vervoorn > *Cc:* openbmc@lists.ozlabs.org > *Subject:* Re: webui: setting Boot.Mode and Boot.Source > > > > Hello Wim, > > > > Yes, I'm glad you ask. This is something we are currently working on so > there is still some work to be done. We'd love to get your feedback to se= e > if what you think is missing aligns with the work we have planned, and > understand what your needs would be from this functionality as a ser. You > can find the current design proposals here: > https://ibm.invisionapp.com/share/8ENYRVXAPFD#/319095138_1-_Boot_Options_= -_System_On > . > > > > Note: To leave feedback in InVision, turn on Comment mode from the bottom > right hand corner of the screen and then click where you want to leave a > comment. To navigate through the prototype, click where you see flashing > blue rectangles or use the right and left keyboard arrows > > > Please let us know if you have any questions and if you would like to set > up some time to review this. > > Best, > > Jandra Aranguren | GUI Design Team > > > > > > On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:25 AM Wim Vervoorn wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Currently the webui doesn=E2=80=99t contain the functionality to change t= he boot > mode and boot source. Are there any plans to add this to the interface? > > > > Best Regards, > > Wim Vervoorn > > > > --000000000000724efc058a207bb2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Wim,<= /div>

=C2=A0I don=E2=80= =99t think it is suitable for us to co-create the GUI. We are definitely no= t GUI experts.

=C2=A0

= What is important for us is that the use= r can access the possibilities of the BMC using the GUI. Another thing that= is of importance is that the GUI is configurable. A specific implementatio= n may not support all OpenBMC features. It should be possible to disable th= em in the GUI.

=C2=A0
<= /div>
No need to wor= ry about not being GUI experts. We would love to work with you to better un= derstand the things you think are important in the GUI and how you envision= them working, no need to think about exactly how that translates to a GUI = -- we can propose on that end. The important thing is to understand how you= and users think of features and how you use them so that we can design for= that.=C2=A0
For=C2=A0example, when you say 'possibilities&= #39; and 'configurable', what are you referring to? What things do = you think would need to be disabled and when?=C2=A0


= Ide= ally the GUI should have a way to detect support and enable and disable the= support dynamically. The possibility to do this using variables during bui= ld time is also a good alternative.=C2=A0

=C2=A0
Is this for what y= ou are referring to above with some features being disabled in the GUI?=C2= =A0
=C2=A0

Basic= ally the schedule for the boot option implementation surprises me. To me th= e implementation seems fairly simple and if a GUI is supported this is one = of the things that is important to the user.

<= /blockquote>
=C2=A0
Can you give more clarity on this? Are you saying the abili= ty to do a single one-time boot for a 'next reboot' is important to= the user? If so, why is it important?=C2=A0=C2=A0


Best,
Jandra A

On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 3:26 AM Wim Vervoorn <wvervoorn@eltan.com> wrote:

Hello Jandra,

=C2=A0

I am sorry for the late response.<= /u>

=C2=A0

I don=E2=80=99t think it is suitable for us = to co-create the GUI. We are definitely not GUI experts.

=C2=A0

What is important for us is that the user ca= n access the possibilities of the BMC using the GUI. Another thing that is = of importance is that the GUI is configurable. A specific implementation may not support all OpenBMC features. It should = be possible to disable them in the GUI.

=C2=A0

Ideally the GUI should have a way to detect = support and enable and disable the support dynamically. The possibility to = do this using variables during build time is also a good alternative.

=C2=A0

Basically the schedule for the boot option i= mplementation surprises me. To me the implementation seems fairly simple an= d if a GUI is supported this is one of the things that is important to the user.

=C2=A0

Best Regards,

Wim Vervoorn<= /p>

=C2=A0

Eltan B.V.

Ambachtstraat 23

5481 SM Schijndel

The Netherlands

=C2=A0

T : +31-(0)73-594 46 64

E : wvervoorn@eltan.com=

W : http://www.eltan.com

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

"THIS MESSAGE CONTAINS CONFIDENTIAL INFOR= MATION. UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED RECIPIENT OF THIS MESSAGE, ANY USE OF T= HIS MESSAGE IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS MESSAGE IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY NOTIFY THE SENDER BY TE= LEPHONE +31-(0)73-5944664 OR REPLY EMAIL, AND IMMEDIATELY DELETE THIS MESSA= GE AND ALL COPIES."=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Jandra A [mailto:jandraara@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 11:33 PM
To: Wim Vervoorn <wvervoorn@eltan.com>
Cc: op= enbmc@lists.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: webui: setting Boot.Mode and Boot.Source<= /span>

=C2=A0

Hello Wim,

=C2=A0

I believe it is scheduled for October 2019. Would yo= u be interested in providing feedback and co-creating the GUI design? We ca= n schedule a 30 minute conversation to review the current design proposal a= nd talk about how it can be improved to best meet=C2=A0your needs.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Regards,

Jandra Aranguren

=C2=A0

On Wed, May 8, 2019 at 6:15 AM Wim Vervoorn <wvervoorn@eltan.com> wrote:

Hello Jandra,

=C2=A0

Thanks for the reply. I had a look, this is = exactly what I am looking for. Do you know when this is scheduled to be included in the WebUI?

=C2=A0

Best Regards,=

Wim Vervoorn<= /p>

=C2=A0

Eltan B.V.

Ambachtstraat 23<= /u>

5481 SM Schijndel=

The Netherlands

=C2=A0

T : +31-(0)73-594 46 64<= /u>

E : wvervoorn@eltan.co= m

W : http://www.eltan.com

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

"THIS MESSAGE CONTAINS CONFIDENTIAL INFOR= MATION. UNLESS YOU ARE THE INTENDED RECIPIENT OF THIS MESSAGE, ANY USE OF THIS MESSAGE IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED. IF YOU HAVE RECEIVED THIS = MESSAGE IN ERROR, PLEASE IMMEDIATELY NOTIFY THE SENDER BY TELEPHONE +31-(0)= 73-5944664 OR REPLY EMAIL, AND IMMEDIATELY DELETE THIS MESSAGE AND ALL COPI= ES."=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Jandra A [mailto:jandraara@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 5:27 PM
To: Wim Vervoorn <wvervoorn@eltan.com>
Cc: op= enbmc@lists.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: webui: setting Boot.Mode and Boot.Source<= u>

=C2=A0

Hello Wim,

=C2=A0

Yes, I'm glad you ask. This is something we are = currently working on so there is still some work to=C2=A0be done. We'd = love to get your feedback to see if what you think is missing aligns with the work we have planned, and understand what your needs would be fro= m this functionality as a ser. You can find the current design proposals he= re:=C2=A0https://ibm.invisionapp.co= m/share/8ENYRVXAPFD#/319095138_1-_Boot_Options_-_System_On .=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Note: To leave feedback in InVision, turn on Comment= mode from the bottom right hand corner of the screen and then click where = you want to leave a comment. To navigate through the prototype, click where you see flashing blue rectangles or use the right a= nd left keyboard arrows


Please let us know if you have any questions and if you would like to set u= p some time to review this.=C2=A0

Best,

Jandra Aranguren=C2=A0 |=C2=A0 GUI Design=C2=A0Team<= u>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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