From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754369Ab2JJQId (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:08:33 -0400 Received: from mail-vc0-f174.google.com ([209.85.220.174]:59486 "EHLO mail-vc0-f174.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752303Ab2JJQI3 (ORCPT ); Wed, 10 Oct 2012 12:08:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <506C562E.5090909@redhat.com> <20121003170907.GA23473@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <20121003195059.GA13541@kroah.com> <3560b86d-e2ad-484d-ab6e-2b9048894a12@email.android.com> <87zk42tab4.fsf@xmission.com> <20121004174254.GA14301@kroah.com> <20121004201704.36d35755@pyramind.ukuu.org.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 18:08:28 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: aSdDFfrkrpLOmV7-t5dLiSFoYUE Message-ID: Subject: Re: udev breakages - From: Geert Uytterhoeven To: Felipe Contreras Cc: Alan Cox , Greg KH , "Eric W. Biederman" , Kay Sievers , Linus Torvalds , Andy Walls , Al Viro , Mauro Carvalho Chehab , Ming Lei , Lennart Poettering , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Kay Sievers , Linux Media Mailing List , Michael Krufky , Ivan Kalvachev Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 5:19 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Alan Cox wrote: >>> I don't know how to handle the /dev/ptmx issue properly from within >>> devtmpfs, does anyone? Proposals are always welcome, the last time this >>> came up a week or so ago, I don't recall seeing any proposals, just a >>> general complaint. >> >> Is it really a problem - devtmpfs is optional. It's a problem for the >> userspace folks to handle and if they made it mandatory in their code >> diddums, someone better go fork working versions. > > If only there was a viable alternative to udev. > > Distributions are being pushed around by the udev+systemd project > precisely because of this reason; udev maintainers have said that udev > on non-systemd systems is a dead end, so everyone that uses udev > (everyone) is being forced to switch to systemd if they want to > receive proper support, and at some point there might not be even a > choice. > > I for one would like an alternative to both systemd and udev on my > Linux systems, and as of yet, I don't know of one. A few years ago, the OpenWRT people pointed me to hotplug2 when I mentioned udev made my poor m68k box with 12 MiB of RAM immediately go OOM. Don't know if it's suitable for "bigger" machines, though. Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds